Khawarij make takfeer of Keith Ellison
Least anyone think that the Maniac Brigade are fans of Keith Ellison, they have made takfeer of him.
But then again, in these peoples’ eyes, there are only about 15,000 Muslims world-side…all of them insane.
Why is Al Qaeda trash-talking Keith Ellison?
In January, Ellison, 43, will become America’s first Muslim congressman. The Minneapolis Democrat, who converted to Islam while in college, got 56% of his district’s vote in last Tuesday’s election.
But since his victory, Osama Bin Laden’s chattering goons have been jeering, not cheering.
In secret Internet chat rooms they call him “the first Jewish Muslim that goes to Congress.”
A lawyer and state legislator who will be Minnesota’s first black congressman, Ellison campaigned on social issues, not religion.
Jihadi pundits have said his election was just “a comedy,” and labeled him a “fool” trying to “deceive us.”
The messages have appeared in two jihadi chat rooms, according to the SITE Institute, a terrorism investigative group.
One chat room, called Al-Hesbah, is solidly tied to Al Qaeda Central, Bin Laden’s network, counterterrorism analysts say. Many Al Qaeda communiques first appeared on the site.
“He is one of them, [a] one-way ticket to Hell,” said one jihadist message about Ellison.
A posting in one forum said: “My God, if you have 1 billion Muslims like him, we shall [continue to] fight you as the Muslim fights the infidel.”
Ellison was at a rural retreat Friday and could not be reached for comment.
But his spokeswoman was not surprised by the negative comments in militant chat rooms.
“Why would Al Qaeda embrace Keith’s success? He’s the opposite of what they’re about,” said spokeswoman Bridget Cusick.
The fact that the lunatics consider Keith Ellison to be a non-Muslim should come as no surprise because they hold that voting in an election automatically makes one a Kaafir. Much less running in one.
Make no mistake about it. These Kharajee Bandits would kill Mr Ellison (and his wife and children) as fast - if not faster - than any other American. They seem to have nothing beating in their chests
Link: In the Know: The Terrorists Hate Keith Ellison
Filed under: Black American Muslims
This has the subtle smell of Qawmiyya
Rasheed, what is “Qawmiyya”? Are you saying the Mr Ellison is a non-Muslim too?
Qawmiyya is nationalism and I think Rasheed is implying that Tariq is only defending Keith Ellison’s Islam because he is black but I am white and I will defend Keith Ellison’s Islam. I also agree with Tariq that these people attacking him are nuts that are a few french fries short of a happy meal
Qawmiyya huh? Is that what that smell is????
Verily, I could have sworn it was pretentiousness.
I looked at the link you provided about the rapes these people did in Algeria, these people are truly insane! In a way, it is a good sign for Keith Ellison that these people made takfeer of him.
WackyPaki, you make an excellent point
Keith Ellison had better be made of stern stuff for the days ahead; Muslims are coming at him, the neocons are going to come at him, and the cultural leftists are going to come at him. May allah guide and preserve our brother, I say.
May Allah guide brother Ellison on the right course, and may he forgive those that defame him, and show them the right course before they have to stand before Him in judgement.
Ya Haqq!
Whooa!!!!!!!!!!!! what ever happened to husna dhan
(Giving your brother the benefit of the doubt. “Most of Suspicion is sin….
Actually I was referring to the the takfiri’s many of them gave up the fallacy of Arab Nationalism to embrace this form of Machiavellian Philosophy but it seems the Nationalism is still alive and well within them that is what I was smelling here…
But hey “Brothers” thanks for the hasanat I need them
My bad Rasheed. I misunderstood
No worries it happens actually this is our problem a lot of times I think we jump the gun, most conflict happens as a result of a breakdown in communication. In this case my comment was vague but I think when vague comments are made before thinking the worst when in fact we should think the best… I think the reason most people assume the worst is because they have some of their own internal hangups that they are dealing with and just want a medium to unload their own internal crap on others… This is why you rarely find the scholars falling into this trap because they are seriously concerned with purifying their own hearts…Purification of the soul is a good place for all of us to start… In the meantime I will just push other peoples crap to the side it really makes me none
Subhan’Allah!
Whatever happened to simply disagreeing with someone’s politics and then moving on? Okay, they don’t like the fact that he’s in office. Well, okay, then. Get over it and move on and stop acting like every Muslim who doesn’t agree you is a kafir. Urgh!
Verily, it is pretentiousness.
Rasheed, Yes the comment was vague but I think most of us know you well enough (from your blog and other comments you have left on the blogosphere) to “read into what you meant”.
Now you want to come back and school us by quoting hadith and analyzing our psyche??? Puh-leeez! You are too much…
Seems like the only one that heard me was Umar…
You can’t really understand another person’s experience until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes
Shattered,
So you are now telling me what I meant… That is pretentious
In enigmatic words of Eric Lensherr, “Forget them, Charles. They no longer matter.” - Who says you can’t learn stuff from comics…
Rasheed,
Maybe I was wrong about what you “meant” and if that’s the case, my bad, but I still stand STRONG behind my comment about the way you come off.
When words get in the way…
Many of you will rejoice to know that I am retiring from the blogosphere, I have been contemplating this for a while and there are various reasons why. Every man has his enemies and detractors and if you speak from the heart people will always try to shut you down. This is a reality of life that I have come to accept, so it is not in cowardice or lack of fortitude but out of the realization that my efforts are being counterproductive. I have already forgiven those who harbor rancor and hate in their hearts, and I hold no grudges and love all of you for the sake of Allah…
May Allah cure what is ailing our hearts
Your Brother
Rasheed Moore
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I have spoken to many self-described moderate muslims who believe that the Quran should be the highest authority in the land and that every country, including the United States, should be governed by Islamic Shariah. Their “moderation” derives from the fact that they are willing to wait until such a change can be accomplished through democratic processes (basically, a reproductive - and immigration - jihad, as opposed to a military jihad). Does anyone at this forum know Ellison’s position on this issue? Does he believe that the Quran should be the highest authority in the land? - because the Quran certainly advocates such a position. Did anyone bother to ask him during his campaign? I welcome your opinions and your input . . . I assure you my response will be courteous.
Salaam alaykum.
I posted on my blog about Keith Ellison, and pointed to what the classical scholars said, but here are two pieces written by a brother many of us would call a terrorist. See this brother says Keith is an apostate outright. I myself think Keith is naive enough to believe he’ll make a difference, but will soon be an apostate after the proofs are made clear to him. The difference between myself and the other brother is that he makes a far better case then I do. He quotes the Qur’anic verses that speak to rulership and alliances.
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the disbelievers (Kafiroon). (5:44)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust (Dhalimoon). (5:45)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the rebellious (Faasiqoon). (5:47)Therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their vain desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you (i.e., Qur
To these people, anyone not in their group is an apostate which has many implications for them: my blood, wealth, and any women in the family are halal for them to rape.
Black Lion, I don’t see how you can read about what these people do (rapes, etc) and not say that they are nuts. They ARE insane and Islam is free from their evil.
I pray that Mr Ellison is kept safe from the likes of these people who would love nothing more than to shed his blood and rape his wife.
Where do I read about them committing rapes, though? I never heard about Mujahideen raping women. Without knowing about this from a source that’s trustworthy, why would I risk slandering mujahideen? Especially when I believe in jihad, physically, if that’s what it takes to make Allah’s word highest and establish justice. Not an Arab word or an Afghan word, but Allah’s word.
A source? Try the “mujahideen” themselves.
Look at the heartbreaking events in Algeria commited by these “mujahideen”. They made takfir of the women they raped (as with Mr Ellison) and made it permissible to take them them as “ghaneemah” (i.e., rape them)
Just simply take a look at some of their own writings in which they make arguments (quoting the Qur’an and hadith) to support things such as istihlaal al farooj and istihlal amwalul mushrikeen in which they make these evil acts halal for themselves. So I know this from THEIR OWN SOURCES, not any other my friend. Secondly, who do you suppose did all these rapes and murders - especially since these Khawarij owned up to them?
The UK’s Abu Hamza (the guy with the hook) made some of these arguments in his
lecturesinsane rantsThose that know me, have known that I have debated these points with these clowns since long before 9/11. Trust me: These Khawarij not only make the blood of Muslims halal, but also rape and stealing. This was the argument of the 9/11 hijackers who made the evil of 9/11 halal, but also credit card fraud, drinking alcohol (in the name of blending in) and sleeping with prostitutes (”ghaneemah”) all halal. This is all in the writings of their books. They do not disown it and this is not a conspiracy. These are the facts.
They are insane! They are insane! They are insane!
As I’ve said before, Blacklion seems like a smart enough brother who unfortunately has drank the jihadi/takfiri Kool-Aid. Inshallah, he’ll do like many reverts and calm down and wise up a bit before he takes part in some horrible act he can’t erase, or nullify his own shahadah by delaring takfir on a believer.
Tariq, I’ll look for examples of their writings. I wasn’t aware of anything like that in Algeria, only that there is a fight due to mullified election.
DA, I drank the ‘jihadi’ kool-aid, but not the takfiri. I fear making takfir on a Muslim, but I also fear calling a non-Muslims a Muslim for good reasons. For that reason, I maintained that Keith Ellison may have meant well, though he should know better, and at some point the prrof is established for him, so he must resign Islam or his position, unless he is very sure that he actually can make changes that are substantial enough to justify him stauying in office. And I don’t know fiqh well enough to know what changes they may be. I do know that one representative has too little influence. Here’s an example. Representatives of largely Black ditricts signed a petition to block Bush from taking office after he failed to clearly win the 2000 elections. But it required signatures from Senators, too to be valid. Guess what? Not ONE Senator signed! An unelected Bush was still sworn in! And now he’s killing Muslims. Keith Ellison could have never won a senate seat which would make more difference, and even that would have been insufficient!
You think we can win by politics? Maybe when we have a military, openly pro-Shariah party and some pro-Shariah politicians. Maybe! But as it is now, Muslims are going the same way that African-Americans went in the civil rights struggle, towards complete self-destruction! And the samrt ones of us tried to warn the Muslims during the 2000 elections not to support Bush. We did it, anyway, and now we’re languishing in prisons and in Cuba as our Ummah abroad gets bombed.
Yes, I’m a convert, and I didn’t convert to Islam to oppress non-Muslims, nor did I convert to some watered-down, bobble-head Islam that many of us have! I want the real deal, bro! Taking authority and establishing a just state in which the People of the Book pay jizyah as applicable and live according to their religion in their communitites while we live by Shariah and fight against those who fight us until no one fights us anymore. And yes, I DO want Allah’s word to made highest all over the earth, in the interest of justice, not injustice!
Allah is always right, his enemies are wrong. So fight the oppressors, free the oppressors, and win in the way of Allah or die trying in the way of Allah! That goes for me as well as you all.
Black Lion:
I assume you live in the US. May I ask why you are here? Why not go to Saudi Arabia? Even if it is not Islamic enough for you, then you must agree that it is more Islamic than here? Is it because job opportunities are better here? Or maybe it is because you have the freedom to spout whatever you like here? If you want the “real deal” then why not stop talking about it and go live there? In the meantime, you look like a real hypocrite
Blacklion, you sound like a young and very new and excited convert that is over-excited about what’s in the books. I was there once and take it from me and concentrate on what is right in front of you before you look around and realize you have nothing.
I’m starting to think Black Lion is a little suspect. We just had a case here in TX where three young brothers were entrapped by the FBI. Basically an undercover FBI was mouthing the same “jihad” stuff and three brothers fell for it and now they are all in fed pen because they were just mouthing off like young men do but then they stepped over the line and this occured because they fell for this undercover FBI’s rhetoric. So anyone in dealing with Black Lion use caution.
Salaam everyone,
BL, you have a lot to learn. Use your time wisely.
Wa’Salaam
The Prophet (SAWS) fought exactly as much and as hard as he needed to. He secured the area of those who were a direct threat to his Ummah and then stopped. Those who constantly extoll Muslims to combat would do well to remember that, by all indications, Muhammad (saws) spent less than a week of his life in actual, violent combat, and then only after exhausting his other means. I believe Muslims do need to have guts and not be victims; however, reflexive violence and seperating the world into “us” and “them” in counter-productive. It’s also worth noting that there were Christians and Jews fighting beside the messenger long before it was advantageous to do so, including several ( a rabbi among them) who feel as shaheed on the battlefield, and the messenger at one point took a Jewish wife. I have met Christians and Jews who had hearts and minds to eternity, and Muslims who would have killed me in any other country for holding my arms wrong in prayer.
Salam alaykum wa rahmatullah.
Thank you for the advice OGCAL. I’ll contact you shortly, Insha’Allah. May Allah reward you for your defense of Muslims. You’re right, I don’t want Muslims to go the same path as other oppressed peoples.
Muslims, read Saff, ayah 10-13.
-Sincerely,
The Black Lion
As salaam Alikum , the only problem I have with or Brother Keith , is that he said in NPR radio program : that he did not have a problem with Gay marriage , , something to the fact , they have rights and if we want our rights we should defend their rights as will .
And Allah knows best.
Abdul Hakim,
Salam Alaikum
Look at it this way. To amend the constitution with a ban on gay marriage means that anything can be banned after that.
Take the gay marriage arguments that are presented by proponents of the ban and insert “Hijab” everywhere they mention gay marriage.
If the bill is passed to amend the constitution for gay mariage, that means that a precedent has been set, and they can then ban anything that they want after that.
So to oppose a ban on gay marriage is not the same as saying that one promotes gay marriage, you just don’t support the gov’t involving itself in peoples private affairs.
Salam Hood… I understand your argument, but that position is more of a libertarian position than anything else. I could extend the same argument then to drugs for instance. The reason they are against the law is because some people determined that they are “social ills”. Those who are against gay rights would put homosexuality in the same bloc of social ills.
It may be that Ellison is committed to a state Democratic charter that ‘forces’ him to have this position. Most freshmen candidates will not survive if they don’t have virtually 100% aligned positions to their party’s platform. So, I am not sure if this was even a choice, and being pro-life may have been a fatal position to take.
Please note there are “pro-life” Democrats. See here. But it is likely these are ‘entrenched’ politicians who can afford to take different positions.
I think Ellison’s election is good for Muslims as well. I hope inshallah that as he “settles down”, he will reevaluate his positions on many things including Israel, homosexuality, and others. May Allah help him help the Muslims of America.
Libertarian or not, the arguments made by proponents of the gay marriage ban amounted to nothing more than a “save the family” platform. Opponents countered with the facts, that legislation against gay marriage or the lack of does not affect the american family adversely positively or negatively, and as such is frivolous legislation to push an agenda of invading civil liberties.
Drugs can be argued to be different, in that the effects of drugs on crime and safety intrude on the individual freedoms guaranteed by the constitution, and endanger the public as a whole.
The bottom line is: the is more Benefit (Maslaha) in Muslim opposing such legislation than in supporting it. This would be very positivist in approach, but that is almost always the case in issues of social contract.
This does not mean that we support Gay marriage, we are simply against legislation that limits individual liberties.
How can a muslim agree to be quiet about something that he finds morally reprehensible and not try to regulate it? / How did the Messenger allow the Jews to deal with Riba in Medina unregulated, while dealing in riba in the islamic state is morally reprehensible?
You mentioned Pro-life. Does a Muslim have to be pro-life necessarily? (rhetorical question, there is difference about abortion)
We shouldn’t look at all of these issues in such a black/white paradigm, many things will be dictated by larger social benefit and simply can’t be dealt with in that manner.
It seems to me that of all the political ideologies on offer in the West, libertarianism is the one that best guarantees Muslim freedoms.
Amir said “It seems to me that of all the political ideologies on offer in the West, libertarianism is the one that best guarantees Muslim freedoms.”
Perhaps Amir, perhaps. The only problem is that like the Green party, it only has marginal appeal. Its not going anywhere too fast…
True. The Libertarian Party will naturally find it hard (and I don’t think their intention or expectation is to win office so much as to influence public debate and bring their ideas to the fore), but I think libertarian or libertarian-leaning candidates within the Republican Party are more viable. For example, Ron Paul.
We need more muslim brothers like black lion speaking the Haq. Whatever happened to Jihad - the most rewarding action and Al wala wal bara?
We need to practice Islam the same way the prophet (peace be upon him) acted and his companions. (Dont forget they lived amongst the kuffar much of their life as a minority and who could be a better example than the Prophet pbuh himself.)
We need to be Muslims who do not fear the blame of the blamers, merciful to the believers and stern with the disbelievers instead we have become like the rubbish of the flood (refer to hadith i will put on the bottom)
‘When we hold the sword it becomes a crime, it becomes shameful for us and cause anarchy for the kuffar. The Americans and the rest of the Western world are like the butcher who wears white clothes when he is about to slaughter a sheep. And if the leg of the sheep shudders as it soul departs its body or a speck of blood falls on the butchers white garment. The sheep is considered to be rude, disobedient sheep. Likewise they want to slaughter us while dressed in white garments. When we defend our selves they shout we are fundamentalists, terrorists, savages and jihadi’s. Protecting our honour has become anarchy and savagery. They do all of this and want us to laugh with them. They take our resources and we are supposed to say “yes sir, yes sir” They take our holy places and even if we carry one bullet they say “they are terrorists” if this is what they call terrorism THEN WE ARE ALL “TERRORISTS” The people who are soft and moderate in the deen enjoy luxury they are in flowing in one river and the deen flows in another’. - AZZAM
The rulers do not rule by that which Allah has revealed and they also make alliances with the kuffar and they take orders from the kuffar. The Americans put themselves as partners to Allah by legislating. These leaders do not worship the Lord of the Kaabah but the Whitehouse. If we say that our rulers our believers than we our making a mockery of LA ILAAHA ILLALLAH.
Surah Al Maidah 51-52
O you who believe! take not the jews and christians as auliya (friend and protectors) they are only the auliya of each other. Verily Allah guides not those people who are the zalimun. And you see those in whose hearts is a disease of hypocrisy, they hurry to their friendship, saying: We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us
perhaps Allah may bring a victory or decision according to his will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves.
In a hadith (collected accounts of the sayings and deeds of Muhammad), the Prophet said: “It is very close, that different nations will invite one another against you, just as people seated around a platter of food invite one another to consume that food.”
Someone asked the Prophet: “Will we be few in number that day?”
The Prophet said: “No you will be many, but you will be like the rubbish of the flood. Allah will extract from the hearts of your enemies their fear and Allah will cast in your hearts wahn (weakness).”
Someone asked the Prophet: “What does wahn mean?”
The Prophet said: “The love of the dunya (the world) and the dislike (fear) of death.”
This hadith has been identified as one of the greatest prophecies of our Messenger. Indeed, today we are seeing this prophecy being fulfilled, word for word, and in thorough detail.
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the disbelievers (Kafiroon). (5:44)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust (Dhalimoon). (5:45)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the rebellious (Faasiqoon). (5:47)Therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their vain desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you (i.e., Quran)
Surah al Maidah 5-54
O ye who believe! Whosoevr turns away from his deen Allah will bring a people whom He loveth and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah, and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah which He giveth unto whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
The Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) said if anyone makes takfir of someone, and he is NOT a kafir, then the takfir falls back on the claimant!!!!
Keith Ellison is free from being a kaffir because no SCHOLAR pronounced takfir upon him. Takfir is governed by the the Ayah,
4:115 And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.
1. “…the right path been shown clearly to him”
This means that Takfir is exclusive province of a Scholar!!!
2. “…and follows other than the believers’ way.”
This means that Ellison would had to have received advice from a scholar, and then REJECTED the advice of the scholar.
Keith Ellison is free from being a kaffir. The Takfiris are criminals, and according to the Hadith, they are the ones who the takfir would return to.
Unis you are ignorant of the issue of takfir. The Ayaat you cited are true–whoever judges by other than the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah is a kaffir–but you are using Allaah’s True statements to establish a false principle!!!!!
@ Blacklion
Your problem is that you are thinking like an American. It’s in our history that you find the justification for rebellion and overthrow.
But that is not Islaam’s history. If you’ll notice; the Messenger of Allaah did not begin his da’wah calling to the establishment of an Islaamic state. The Muslims lived amongst the Mushrikieen of Quraish for 13 years, and Allaah did not command him to rebel against anyone!!! It’s haraam in Islaam to rebel against the leaders unless there’s a clear sign of kufr, from Allaah. The Prophet’s Da’wah (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) began with Tawheed and consisted of that for thirteen years before Allaah ordered the Muslims to fight anyone. This is a known historical fact.
O new Muslim, cease with the talk of Jihad and strive to learn the basics of the Deen first. Jihad has conditions that are not currently present, so therefore we have to wait until Allaah changes our condition. Like all other acts of worship, Jihad requires ability. Since we are unable to wage correct Jihad, than all the Ayaat in the Qur’an about having Sabr (patience) are written upon us.
Whoever is teaching you this, you need to abandon him; and get rid of all the books you’re reading calling to this!!!!
Although this story is over 2 years old I want to make my point known.
Calling Keith Ellison a Kaffereen (he is one) does not make one “exclusive.”
I am willing to embrace Shia, Sunni, Ibadi, Hadith Followers, and those who reject the Hadiths but believe in the Original and Complete Quran (not the apostate Rashid Khalifa Followers).
However anyone who advocates acceptance of Gay Marriage is not a Muslim, anyone who advocates abortion (infanticide) is not a Muslim.
It is unfortunate that conservative elements are allowing these filthy views to be propagated, no Masjid in America should allow Keith Ellison to pray, and if Keith Ellison was praying at the Masjid I was attending I would walk out.
HE IS A DEVIL and MUNAFAQUIN.
For those who believe that infanticide is okay then you are DEVIL’S and Insallah you will be punished on the Day of Judgement.
I despise these Taliban and Al Qaeda thugs, however I despise these leftists even more, to alter the basic tenets of Islam is a grave offense.
RE: “I despise these Taliban and Al Qaeda thugs, however I despise these leftists even more, to alter the basic tenets of Islam is a grave offense.”
You’re doing the exact same thing the Taliban and Al Qaeda are doing: your opposing Allaah’s legislation and going with your desires. You made takfir of Ellison, and you ain’t qualified to do so, you didn’t follow the methodology, nor are your reasons sound. Yes, Islaamically. Ellison’s views on homosexuality and abortion are wrong, but Allaah will forgive his sins if he makes tawbah before he dies. Allaah said He forgives all sins except shirk.
My only fear is that Ellison stops going to classes, because he really needs to learn his Deen.
RE: “…no Masjid in America should allow Keith Ellison to pray, and if Keith Ellison was praying at the Masjid I was attending I would walk out.”
If you take this stance you are transgressing, because it is incorrect.