Malicious Slander
UPDATE, July 14, 2008 - Our white nationalist friend, David Gaubatz, has proven himself to be a compulsive liar once again claiming that I have distributed pictures with his head placed on a Nazi uniform. I have done no such thing and if I had I would have posted it. This guy needs help. He also claims to have black friends. Hey Dave, what do your “black friends” think of the fact that you and your organization believes that blacks are predisposed to crime and are less intelligent?
UPDATE, May 15, 2008: David Gaubatz, the white supremest that was leading SANE’s discredited so-called “mapping sharia” project appears to have gone solo and is currently trying to pass off his insane rants and lies to whoever will listen. It appears that this man is trying to be famous, because I have noticed that NONE of the major anti-Muslim sites link to his outright lies and fair tales against the Muslims of Northern Virginia and the Dar Al-Hijrah community in particular. I suppose the other anti-Muslim bigots do not want to be associated with such a racist dirt bag.
UPDATE, April 3, 2008: White National Organization, SANE’s website has gone down (allegedly for redesign, but that has been the case for months now) and their discredited “mapping sharia” project is inactive without a single other hit piece against another community since their libel against the Dar Al Hijrah community in June of 2007. People saw them for what they were
UPDATE 5: I’d like to thank all the people who wrote emails in support in the aftermath of the libelous attack on the mosque by a neo-white supremacist organization and the vandalism that happened after their article. As a black person I can not reason with a person who hates me on the basis of the color of my skin. I only pray that more people do not become convinced by their (not so veiled) racist and anti-black agenda
UPDATE 4: Some lunatic apparently inspired by slander posted by Mr Gaubatz threw stones through the window at Dar Al Hijrah last night. Also some idiot who apparently reads their trash called me a “sh*tskin” in the comments last night that I deleted afterwards. David and his minions are such “nice people”. This is exactly why I refuse to link to their site so that I will not be overrun with racist trolls from their site
Please pray for Imam Shaker ElSayyid and Imam Johari Abdul Malik as they were targeted specifically by the Gaubatz hit piece and I fear that the two of them may be in danger of bodily harm of worse from these racists. More to come…
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I was forwarded one of the most outrageous hit pieces that I have seen in a long time from the so called “Mapping Sharia in America Project” - a groups that advocates making adhering to Islam an offense punishable by 20 years in prison
First, I will say to all those who may read this and try to paint me as an extremist, that my opposition to terrorism is unequivocal and known and that I have written many times condemning terror and terrorism and those who endorse it. If terrorism were being taught at Dar Al Hijrah, I would be the first to condemn it LOUDLY and clearly.
But I can not and will not endorse smearing and flat out lies against people that are not terrorists nor endorse terrorism. If the aim is to get those who are trying to kill us all, then I am with you. But if the aim is to lie, slander and defame - even those that are working with law enforcement in many cases - then we can not join such an effort.
That said, I contend that this “report” is a COMPLETE fabrication and malicious LIE designed to dehumanize and slander Muslims. To say that this “report” is full of “mistakes” is giving too much credit. It is full of deliberate and malicious lies.
They also know that most who read their “report” will not read any refutation of their outrageous and slanderous piece.
I have taken it piece by piece. The “report” said:
Sporting a beard and Muslim dress, Gaubatz said he went on May 18 to the center, pretending to be an American interested in becoming a convert to Islam. He discovered the center espoused terrorism and jihad against America.
How many people interested in Islam come in “Muslim dress”? I was there on that day and any such person would have been directed to me since Imam Johari was not there that day. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I met no such person on that day. This sentence shows that this is clearly written for an audience that has preconceived notions of converts as being so romantic with the idea of becoming Muslim that they come into the door wearing “Muslim dress”. I have been Muslim for 12 years and not once have I seen a person interested in becoming Muslim enter the door wearing “Muslim dress”. Any Muslim reading that statement can see how ridiculous it sounds. Unfortunately a person with no experience in the mosque will not know that, and these people know it.
“They are teaching what they call Jihad Qital, which means physical jihad,” Gaubatz said. “They’re teaching violence and hatred of the United States.”
So a complete stranger walks into a mosque and he is immediately indoctrinated into “jihad” and not the fundamentals of Islam? I have not heard any teaching of violence and hatred against the United States. To the contrary, the problem some who actually DO sympathize with the nutters complain about Dar Al Hijrah’s message of civic involvement, registering to vote and reaching out to neighbors.
Further, Dar Al Hijrah is active in Fairfax County and has many other interfaith partners in the DC metropolitan area.
Gaubatz said that he met the two primary clerics at Dar Al-Hijrah, Imam Shaker Elsayed and Imam Johari Abdulmalik. Both men have been trained in Saudi Arabia. He says another key individual is Yusef Estes, an informal senior leader at the center and an internationally influential Muslim scholar who was trained in Saudi Arabia.
As I mentioned before, Imam Johari was not even present on the Friday they claimed to visit and he nor Shaker Elsayed were “trained” in Saudi Arabia. Neither was Yusef Estes for that matter.
On May 18th 2007, Imam Johari left Washington on Air-Tran heading to Houston that morning and did not return to Virginia until Sunday May 20 th 2007, so he could not have met with Mr. Gaubatz as claimed in this hit piece.
Although, Yusuf Estes lives in the neighborhood, he is not a leader of the Dar Al-Hijrah community
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This reminds me of reading some travelogues of Westerners who went to Muslim lands in the 17th and 18th century. One would find statements and claims that would seem absurd to anyone with the smallest amount of genuine knowledge, but read as a really great story if you were willing to put all sensibility aside. Muslims are treated as some kind of strange, exotic, species that must be studied, and if one does so they will find sensational, possibly barbaric characteristics.
Someone always takes on the duty of carrying on tradition, no matter how repugnant it may be.
I’m assuming you have a more condensed version of this post to shoot off to the editor? Others who live in the area should be encouraged to write similar rebuttals. Looks like the Washington Times has their very own Jayson Blair.
jazakallahu khayr for posting this, its good that someone cleared up the misconceptions they were spreading
[...] Tariq Nelson and Umar Lee both have pieces up about the so-called Mapping Sharia in America Project.
[...] has more on the “malicious slander” this fake convert then [...]
I want to reiterate what Tariq has said above in that the information in the article is completely false.
None of the imams of Dar Al-Hijrah use the word infidels let alone advocate violence.
Neither I nor the Center has ever espoused terrorism or jihad.
The imams have never used the construct
[...] may have to add an adendum to Al Franken’s book - lying Muslim haters et cetera. Tariq’s article is quite disturbing, though, in truth, not hard to believe. And while I wish to treat this incident [...]
Yes, we must stay open and inviting. I think that part of what these racists want us to do is to withdraw and isolate and never refute their lies
I am a white convert to Islam. I have been going to Dar al Hijrah, on and off, for five years now. I have heard all of the people named in the article speak in both a private and public capacity. Never, ever have I heard any such statements made.
I had to laugh about the “Jihad qital” stuff. Not only is that improper Arabic usage, I have never, ever heard that term used, even by bonafid Jihadists like bin Laden or az-Zawahiri. Like the term “taqqiya” it seems to be a term that is not used by, nor know of, by 99% of Muslims out there. It is a term that is used by anti-Muslim Islamophobes.
The problem here is that the vast amount of Americans do not know the difference. it does not surprise me that these men are white supremists. White supremists use the same tactics, half truth, lies, inventing history, you name it.
I suggest that the people’s mentioned in the article contact lawyers, maybe get CAIR involved and sue the people resonsible for slander. It is clear that some of the claims they have made are false and can easily be proven. It is clear that the claims they made were meant to disparage and denigrate people based on what they knew were lies.
This is clear grounds for a slander charge. A high punative judgement against them would probably shut down their operation for good.
I also suggest that copies of this blog article be sent to every Muslim association in the USA. Get it out in the forums, in the CAIR e-mail list, everything. Hopefully these people can be caught out. It would be great to have a future visit of theirs caught on our OWN video so that it can be put out to refute the lies these guys are making.
These guys are the real enemy of America. Imagine, a country founded for the freedom of ALL religions making adherence to one a 20 year prison sentence? Insane!
I came to Islam over 21 years ago, after obtaining a BA degree in Philosophy and Religious Studies. I can assure you nothing stated by this agent provocoteur is true. Not even Orientalists, of whom I have known and with whom I studied, even came up with such nonsense. As for the legislation this person is trying to push, well… this is America. We interned the Japanese in WWII, we forced marched thousands of Ojibway to their death along the Trail of Tears, we bombed Nagasaki after the Japanese were ready to surrender just so we could test both the H and the A bombs. What aren’t we capable of in terms of inhumanity to other men. So such efforts as this need to taken seriously by Muslims and need to be agressively countered with the truth. If we continue to fear to speak out, we will soon be unable to speak. If the Holocaust taught us nothing, then we like them, will be doomed to some future gas chamber, because we were too afraid to make waves. Acceptance and cooperation, lying low and keepng our heads down, being Mr. Nice Guy only got the Jews and the Japanese a trip to Auschwitz or Manzanar. Are we next?
I am not suprised at all by this group of muslim and islam haters. We must remember that even people with good intentions may succumb to such propaganda against muslims. We all need to join CAIR and other organizations to strengthen our selves. We must be part of the system as well and educate our children against these type of attacks that can ignite wholesale repression of muslims.
We as American Muslims will be looked at as the standard bearers for all Muslims around the world. We cannot afford to allow this group to become mainstream. This group already has the ear of the Radical Right Radio Race Pimps who have muslims and people of color as their perpetual enemies.
We must continue to educate our Christian brothers and sisters about our intentions as a community. I think Afridan/American or Black Muslims are uniquely situated because of our familiarity with Christianity and relationships with family members who happen to be christian.
Salam
I say you should write a new nuttier exam for fundementalist christians that would be a good piece..
[...] alaikum, well, hey, wow, where do I start with this one? Umar Lee and Tariq Nelson have blogged about an incident at the Dar-al-Hijra Masjid in the DC area, where a man supposedly [...]
Did DAH video this event? It would be nice if someone could youtube his fake shahadah and show the cothes he really wore. That way at least that one small part of the lie is proven untrue.
Unfortunately, this false and malicious story is getting a lot of attention on many anti-Islam blogs and forums. Because this Gaubatz punk is supposed to be some senior Intelligence agent, his word is supposed to be the truth. Even if we were somehow able to prove this story to be false, it would probably fall on deaf ears.
Since this Gaubatz joker is supposed to be some sort of top level U.S. Intelligence Agent, surely he was able to sneak in a mic or a spy cam to record all the nonsense he’s talking about, right?!?!?
Visit CAIR’s website to see how you can contact the Washington Times (which promotes this hate group) to express your outrage over the article as well as other false statements they’ve made…
http://cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=510&theType=AA
I as well recieved the Mapping Sharia Project through a list serve. Another Islamophobic group was my initial response and then I was literally on the floor laughing that they are so worried about Muslims trying to impose Sharia on the American public while their own mission is about imposing their own form of sharia on America - more from their site:
So at its core, SANE is dedicated to the rejection of democracy and party rule and a return to a constitutional republic, with a vibrant and real federalism at work, providing for an Executive that can execute its mandate to lead the country, a legislature limited to legislating and to its other enumerated powers, and a court system fully reined in to adjudicate facts before the law and not to legislate by judicial fiat.
also part of their mission is:
A rejection of the Open Society agenda and Multiculturalism that so dominates and permeates our society.
On top of all of that is their University level project (proposed) in which they want to establish groups within the Universities to council these “judeo-christian” youths and provide them with counter-information to the scientific-democracy teachings they recieve at the University level. http://www.saneworks.us/An-IASPSSANE-Project-Proposal-article-232-37.htm
Nothing but a bunch of nut cases and lucky you and Umar Lee have now taken up their whole right sidebar with counter arguments. (If I were you though, I would be asking for copies of those audio tapes they claim to have.)
I think inSANE would be a better moniker. But as I said to Tariq, maybe they thought the “thobes” were white hoods? Sorry guys, wrong BBQ…
[...] Moreso, it has come to my attention today that both Umar Lee and Tariq Nelson are both associated with the Dar Al Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Virginia which sane works accuses of uncovering “clear and convincing evidence of direct and indirect links to violent Jihad”.
[...] UPDATE:
I want people to realize that you could be the next to be slandered.
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Actually something like this took place in April 2006; a guy called Joe Kaufman wrote a diatribe against a whole load of the Muslim bloggers including Danya Shakfeh (salika.wordpress.com), Izzy Mo, Jinnzaman, Mujahideen Ryder, Umm Zaid and others. In some cases, the accusation was just that they had attended a CAIR or ISCA conference. The piece contained statements which could be debunked by just visiting the links he provided, which demonstrates that he didn’t care about being caught out. For what it’s worth I don’t think they’re White supremacists as such, but the usual pro-Zionist neo-cons.
Yusuf, these people have white supremest jargon on their site. They want us all DEAD. They want our children DEAD and they want our houses burned to the ground
[...] Malicious Slander I was forwarded one of the most outrageous hit pieces that I have seen in a long time from the so called “Mapping […] [...]
Thank you Tariq, for sharing this. As I commented on Umar Lee’s blog, I find this shocking. It’s hard for me to believe that this is happening right in our mosque, which has been so open to the public. I pray that Allah makes us stronger, and that we are able to continue the good work that’s being done there instead of being scared into inaction by these truly malicious attempts.
As salaamu alaikum:
This is proposterous! What I don’t understand is how so many people can trust the word of obvious lunatics like these.
There is so much double standard rhetoric in their “article” (if you even call it that) that it could take years to refute every single thing.
JazakAllahu khair for letting us know and may Allah protect us all, ameen.
Just a non-believer here for comments.
First. I didn’t know Muslims wore dresses. (read previous commentary and understand this is sarcasm.)
Second. I didn’t know that Muslims were violent.
Third. I know that most americans don’t understand the faith of Islam. They don’t know anything outside their own borders.
I was raised as a non-believer, I am still a non-believer. Sitting back and looking at your religions, I am perplexed at these conflicts of who is right.
You both believe in the same God!
Wait! I know!
Osama Binladen is a fundementalist!
Isn’t Bush?
Osama is a terrorist!
Isn’t Bush?
If people would only live up to their beliefs (or non-beliefs) and help their fellow man, there would be no conflict.
If you think I am another CIA plant. Go to Sabbah’s web site. I hate violence. I hate Osama and Bush.
Malicious Slander
Tariq Nelson exposes lies against DC area Muslim Community posted by bigots who pretended to be interested in Islam
[...] Islamophobes Visit Mosque, Write About It, Brick Thrown at Mosque Filed under: Uncategorized — eteraz @ 8:00 am Hmm. [...]
Correlation Between Islamophobes Writing About Mosque and Brick Thrown At Mosque
Hmm. Right out in Virginia.
[...] to “Mapping Shariah” and Insight Magazine Jump to Comments UPDATE: Tariq Nelson reports that these people have vandalized Dar Al Hijrah. The object of this game is to incite hatred and [...]
This needs be handled in court… This is more than slander it is outright incitement…
Like I said, legal action against these guys needs to be taken. They knowingly lied against members of the Dar al Hijrah community, lies which can be proven in a court of law.
Their laies directly lead to violence against the Dar al Hijrah community. In a similar type incident, the leader of a group called WAR “White Aryan Resistance” was held to account for his words that later lead to violence. He was made to pay a multi-million dollar settlement which pretty much ended his movement and put him in eternal bankruptcy.
This is EXACTLY what needs to be done against these guys. They have written, in black and white, words which they knew to be false. It can be proved that the words were false and it is clear their intention was to harm the names and reputations of those people they lied about.
There could not be a more clear cut case for legal recourse. I suggest those harmed take up this legal action now. It was rocks in windows now, if you dont act it will be rocks into people’s heads next. It is much easier to fix a window than attend a Jannaza.
File legal action NOW!
Yes, we should encourage libel lawsuits. Their claims are so damaging. Any of us can be hurt by such slander. I am definitelyg going to spread the word. Wow!!
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[...] UPDATE 4 from Tariq: Some lunatic apparently inspired by slander posted by Mr Gaubatz threw stones through the window at Dar Al Hijrah last night. Also some idiot who apparently reads their trash called me a
[...] what you can in regards to both the action alert at CAIR and posting the rebuttals of Umar Lee and Tariq Nelson who have been directly affected by this [...]
Blessings and peace to the Dar Al-Hijrah community in the aftermath of this vandalism and slander.
I don’t hold political opinions that would be particularly popular with the Ummah– I think there should be comprehensive and honest examination, and then repudiation, of the elements of Islam that have given rise to hatred of kuffar and mistreatment of them. And from what I have read of the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira (with the tafasir by Ibn Taymiyyah and tafasir Al-Jalalayn), it is my belief that there actually is some significant support for the kind of mentality and behaviours that have been called “extremist” and seen the Ummah in America stigmatized. I would like to see these problems openly addressed by Muslims, and Islamic supremacism and warfare against kuffar, in any form, totally renounced.
All that aside I do not and will never accept hateful baiting of Muslims, especially not by such see-through liars and bigots. I will be praying for the safety of Imam Johari and Imam Shaker in the days to come. Your community has done nothing to deserve this wickedness.
Also, thank you Tariq for your persistent anti-extremist vigilance on this blog and elsewhere.
Blessings,
-The Human Trumpet Solo
Assalaamu alaykum,
It should be noted that Ali Timimi was completely innocent. This is well documented. I do not know what differences there were between Dar Al Hijrah and Br Ali, but Br Ali does not support terrorism and is on tape speaking against it. One reading the blog may mistakenly link Br Ali with extremism. Free Ali !
Salaam Alaikum,
These slandering will spread like wild-fire, but after a while it will die-out and then these people will renew their tactics. Since 9/11 we have been target for everything, but by Allah it only last for a short-time.
Allah knows best but this might be good for us, Insha’Allah people will go out and find the truth for themselves. These people think that by lying, threatning the Muslims the non-Muslims will eventually say, arrest them and ship back home, but Americans in general are of good heart and they will unocver these racist bigots, and Allah is the Best of Planners.
Lets be vigilent and united — disunity is their first victory; creating confusion, is their second victory; and apostating is their final victory.
“This needs be handled in court
I find it ironic that by their own rules this father and son team should be locked up for 20 years. They did after all go into a mosque and convert to Islam.
Well, perhaps there were a few undercover FBI agents in the place, they will soon sort them out insha Allah.
Alhamdulliah! After each person involved sues; then the book store and Dar Hijrah should sue each news paper and website separately; then we should have enough money to start building a university or a hospital!
They have know idea how much we can really make Northern VA NOVAstan!
Takbir!
Seriously, the only thing that makes these people take pause is losing money and court time! Paying lawyers for their time or losing money in court, makes a man think twice about his outright slanderous lies.
EVERYONE needs to sue and it
Assalaamu alaikum,
The accusations are patent nonsense.
If anyone cares to see a deep relationship with Saudi Arabia, look no further than the well-documented Bush family alliance with the Saudi royals and the long, interdependent economic and politcal relationship of the US & Saudia Arabia. If ties with Saudia Arabia constitute a basis of extremism, then the whole nation and its president ought to plead guilty to the charge.
Folks slandered - please don’t trample over Ali Al Timimi in the rush to your own defense. It ought to give you pause to reflect that maybe the same baseless fabrications and hysterical exaggerations foisted against you are the same sort that stripped him of his 1st Amendment Rights and landed him in a no-man’s land of prison. If you can’t bring yourself to defend his honor as a Muslim, then at least as an American defend his right to free speech, a fair appeal process, and decent prison conditions.
Defending oneself against “extremism” is almost a losing cause. Saying one is not an extremist because one doesn’t wear the niqab or a beard or read such and such literature only sets up yet another false definition of extremist and invites witch-hunts. I got an email - from Muslims - of a list of books that promote extremism, including all books by Sayyid Qutb. Can public book burnings be far behind? Like someone else posted, let’s remember the history of oppression regimes. Someone once said in the aftermath of the Nazi nightmare words to this effect: Whenever a society starts burning books, they start burning humans soon after.
Assalaamu alaykum,
Yusuf is right, these nasty people are not White supremacists. They are Israeli zionists hiding behind White supremacist jargon with the aim to further brainwash the American people. White supremacits wouldn’t spell God as G_d.
Here’s who they really are:
SANE: An Islamophobic group attempts to banish Islam from the U.S.
The Milli Gazette
17 June 2007
Stepping into the foot prints of Daniel Pipes, Islamophobist and founder of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim forums such as Middle East Forum and Campus Watch, another pro-Israeli Islamophobist, David Yerushalmi, has established an anti-Islam group known with the acronym SANE: the Society of Americans for National Existence. The sole objective of the group is banishing Islam from the US by making “adherence to Islam” punishable by 20 years in prison.
Before divulging on the agenda of the new group let us discuss the background of the founder of the group, David Yerushalmi.
His official biography at the SANE website states: Yerushalmi was instrumental in establishing the Israel Export Development Co., Ltd., as an entrepreneurial policy tool to initiate radical free market reforms in Israel. Working along side fellow board members and shareholders such as Robert Tishman, Jerry Speyer, Larry Silverstein, Lawrence Tisch, Eugene Grant and Sy Syms, Yerushalmi was appointed the company’s CEO and Chairman.
What is missing in this bio is that Yerushalmi spent 15 years in Israel . Yerushalmi persuaded six U.S. senators and 13 representatives to send letters to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin backing the zone. He planned to locate Israeli and U.S. high-tech companies in the $2 billion zone project.
David Yerushalmi is member of the Board of Trustees of the Jerusalem-based think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS) with an affiliated office in Washington D.C. IASPS is dedicated to the defense of Israel. Naturally, SANE was one of the sponsor groups of a pro-Israel Washington DC rally on June 10, 2007.
David Yerushalmi is also a member of the Steering Committee of the Maccabim Foundation for Iranian Emigrants in Israel.
With these credentials, there is little doubt that the SANE, just like the Campus Watch, Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch, is another pro-Israeli, anti-Islam and anti-Muslim project exploiting patriotism and the prevailing anti-Muslim hysteria in the nation.
The anti-Muslim hate group advocates making “adherence to Islam” punishable by 20 years in prison. In February of this year, it released a policy paper that in part stated: “Whereas, adherence to Islam as a Muslim is prima facie evidence of an act in support of the overthrow of the US. Government through the abrogation, destruction, or violation of the US Constitution and the imposition of Shari’a on the American People. . .It shall be a felony punishable by 20 years in prison to knowingly act in furtherance of, or to support the, adherence to Islam.”
For SANE’s purposes anybody who follows the teaching of the Quran and Prophet Mohammad is adhering Islam. This includes both major Muslim sects, Sunnis and Shias.
On June 13, SANE unveiled its so-called “Mapping Shari’a in America Project” devoted to spying on 2,300 Islamic institutions in the United States. “The project will collect information about America’s 2,300-plus mosques and associated day schools, provide information to both law enforcement officials and the public, and test the proposition that Shari’a (read Islam) amounts to a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government,” the SANE project said.
While launching its “Mapping Sharia Project,” the SANE claimed that hundreds of Islamic centers in the United States have become a hot-bed of extremist activity and promote violence, terrorism and hatred against America.
SANE’s Immigration proposal calls for a ban on Muslim immigration and declaring all non-US citizen Muslims Alien Enemies and deported. In January this year, SANE founder David Yerusalmi issued a paper titled “War Manifesto
[...] Malicious Slander - Tariq Nelson White supremacist group launches smear campaign against the Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center in Washington DC, claiming it’s a terrorist organization. (tags: muslim religion terrorism whitesupremacy) [...]
As Salaamu Alaikum
While I believe it is good to expose some of these efforts of people to discredit Islaam, we also have to stop being so naive into thinking that this view and/or these tactics are accepted by a larger portion of this society. Partly because of ignorance and partly because of blind hatred and some other ulterior motive.
The press, in some sick demented way, benefits from these attacks on Islaam. They create sensationalism and fear and people buy into and read more of it on their pages.
[...] white supremacist goons do not represent the majority of the American people and just FYI, I have received dozens - perhaps [...]
[...] form called SANE The Ku Klux Klan has a new way of doing business these days it seems. See this post and this [...]
Thank you for identifying the source of the book burning leads to people burning quote as Heine. I have always heard it referred to in the context of the Nazi book burning(s) in the 1930s and the holocaust.
It is chilling to discover the original reference was to Quran burnings and the inquisition.
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[...] Racists attacked Tariq’s Mosque, and the people at the Mosque need support. [...]
Many of those guys probably are racist but I still believe that those who believe Islam is a religion and a state need to leave America. America is a secular nation and those who have an Islamic understanding of the ahl al hadith( Shafi, Maliki, Ja’fari etc) need to leave the West.
The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion but none of those schools of ahl al hadith believe that. These divisions came from the hadith literature during the Abbasid era, they were never a part of early Islam. They were political movements that the Abbasid encouraged and spread. Muslims who continue to follow the doctrines of the madhabs of ahl al hadith need to leave the West.
Yes, many of those guys are probably KKK that want Muslims out. But if you are a follower of those madhabs you shoudn’t be here anyways. The USA is not for you. Muslims who see Islam as a religion and not a state and do not consider the ahl al hadith as authority should be the ones living in the USA.
The Quran instructs the prophet to simply convey the message and he is not to force anyone. It reminds the prophet that he is but a messenger. The ahl al hadith believe he was an enforcer and want to use the state to enforce religion. They get their evidence from their books of doctrine in the hadith collections. They all believe it can abrogate the Quran. All of them have used hadiths from the prophet to back up their claims. They usually contradict each other yet they all claim to get their sources from the prophet. They all believe an apostate should be killed. They all believe in gender discrimination. They all believe in restrictions for religious minorities. None of the ahl al hadith believe in freedom of religion or thought and none of them believe in equality under the law. And none of them believe in freedom of speech. Even though the Quran does, they don’t and they claim the prophet said so.
They do not belong in a democracy, its that simple.
Going to Dar al Hijrah these days feels like one is surrounded by a minefield of spies. Add to that a mish-mash of Ikhwanee garbage and your in for a really uncomfortable time. I miss the late 80’s and early 90’s when Dar al Hijrah seemed so different (and better).
I must agree with you Abu Ameerah. I used to go to Dar Al Hijrah and it sickens me when I see people there that have no knowledge, make such retarded comments left and right and love to attack and kiss up the FBI and CIA.
Dar Al Hijrah is like a rainforest.
Canopy/Sky: Upper Echilons within Dar Al Hijrah such as the admin and people heavily involved and wield great influence. Sloth as you know live high up in the canopy. The admin there is like a sloth. Very slow at change. Occasionally, a harpy eagle will snatch one of these sloths away. After September 11, spies within this masjid as manifested in these eagles will snatch away sloths such as Abdurahman Al-Amoodi, scare away Nadir Salah (influential people). At the end of the day, the sloth admin hopes that it’s lichen and moss that grows on its fur will camouflage them so well and protect them on their ever tight 3 toed claw grip on power.
Mid-Level: People that come and go but know people in the admin. Parrots usually live in this part of the forest along with monkeys. The people there are like these parrots. They spread gossip, chat about almost anything and scoff at different people.
Ground-Level: These are the people that just come for prayer. On the ground level you have leopards (spies) that snatch away heedless innocent people and drag them away. Then you have rodents other small animals that scurry about and nobody in the upper levels of the rainforest would notice them unless something happens or when a mudslide shakes the foundation of the trees.
[...] on Islam ( FROM CAIR-NY) It should also be noted that Yerushalmi has ties to SANE- a group that Tariq Nelson and I have had this previous experience [...]
[...] “return to being a white nation” This post presents the kind of information that the bigots that “want to return to a white America” do not want you to know. In 1825, the US [...]
Racism is ugly and these guys smell of it
[...] desegregation, the Gaubatz’ of the world protested just as they are now. They hate blacks (then and now) just as they hate Muslims (now). [...]
mohamed - you sound like one of them GAUBATZ JOKER’S - your spew is so FAKE!..Ahlul-Hadith–Jafari? they are Shi’as–not ahlul-hadith
Second, you are reading from SUBMITTERS regarding Hadith
Third, and who made YOU the Muslim Spokesperson? tellinsg us what we believe and to leave? grow-up
[...] seems that two Virginia Lawmakers have repeated an oft-repeated SLANDER has been repeated once again in the Washington Post that Dar Al Hijrah and I have ties to [...]
[...] “Malicious Slander” is how Tariq Nelson correctly described the lies put forth by the racist organization “Society of American for National Existence” (SANE) regarding Dar Al Hijrah. We can see that they hold many racist views on their site and I contend that they are outright LIARS. Let them produce a tape of me trying to recruit anyone to commit acts of terror or where I have made anti-American statements. [...]
[...] 15th, 2007. Tariq Nelson has written a refutation of the slander against DarAl Hijrah on his blog here. It can also be read via the Muslim [...]
[...] (”SANE”) that promotes the racial superiorty of whites. Gaubatz is also in charge of a discredited anti-Muslim smear and fear campaign called ‘Mapping Sharia’. This man also claimed to have found weapons [...]
[...] to WaPo Piece It seems that two Virginia Lawmakers have repeated an oft-repeated SLANDER has been repeated once again in the Washington Post that Dar Al Hijrah and I have ties to [...]
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[...] course there are anti-Muslim bigots, but I honestly believe that they are in the minority. As more time passes - without another terror [...]
Islam is great religion. I wouldn’t want to be part of a religious organization that promotes violence and hate. People like the Gaubatzmentioned in the article makes sincerely interested reverts like me look bad.
am muslim since i born cuz am in islamic country its arab gulf kuwait and am happy i can help you if you want alhmdu lilah
While in Iraq a Muslim family saved my life. Upon returning from Iraq in 2003, I pledged to expose certain mosques and organizations who promote themselves as advocates of the Muslim people, while behind the scenes they victimize their own people. CAIR National represented Morris Jamil Day as an attorney. Day charged Muslims who needed help thousands of dollars (illegal). Day was not an attorney and CAIR Executives knew this. Many Muslim people asked me for help. I have and will continue to do so. Any person or organization who supports Imams such as Siraj Wahhaj (Brooklyn, NY) are themselves supporters of terrorism. I fully encourage any person or organization I have ever talked about or written about to challenge me in court (U.S. court, not the joke of a Sharia Court). I strongly encourage this. Nothing I say or do can’t be substantiated with first-hand evidence. Muslim people who have provided affidavits about illegal activities by CAIR, the people and organizations associated with them will be the first to take the stand against deceivers of Islam such as Nelson, Wahhaj, and CAIR. These honest Muslim people will come forward in mass. Again please submit your law suits. Unlike the Steve Emersons, I do not report on public records, I provide first-hand intel from Muslims themselves who are frustrated with ‘Apostates’ such as Nelson and his friends. Respectfully, Dave Gaubatz
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