To me this article gives a clear indication of the impact that a social contract obtained by Blackamerican Muslims would have on the African diaspora in the rest of world. Allahu Alim
To me this article gives a clear indication of the impact that a social contract obtained by Blackamerican Muslims would have on the African diaspora in the rest of world
I once did a term paper in my Spanish class about Latin Americans. The “diversity”that is a fixture in their country is based on the things that is based on the things that is mentioned in the article.It’s also sad because, some of these same people who deny their heritage still faced some form of racial contempt. For example(s). In some parts of Mexico, depending on what part of Mexico they live in. In Veracruz, they were likely to embrace their Blackness, while the ones who lived in Oaxaca denied it. The sad thing about it is that they still get placed at the bottom of Mexican society.
Even in 2008 the racism/denial is still apparent. It doesn’t take a genius to see the lack of Blacks on Latin American television.
You know reading this reminded of Bushwick Bill’s verse from the Geto Boys song “The World is a Ghetto” basically in almost every country in the world there is an area where dark-complexioned decendent’s of the African diaspora live under conditions worst than the mainstream of that country and who are called by a local pejorative.
This includes the Muslim lands so whether it’s cities like Basra, Mecca, Palestine or Sanaa that also have these same “ghettoes” (yes I already no the history of the word from france, anyway) areas where decedents of Africans are mistreated.
…waits for the shrill “evil speech” and “filthy black culture” comments…
Yet there a cure and it’s Islam pure Islam not this “hislam” that some try to promote. Islam allows each ethic group to show it’s diversity, gather and organize its people as a society.
Abu Usamah you may make light of the situation, but the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa salam) said that the one that calls to assabiyyah can bite on the penis of his Father.
You need to think about this and follow the ulamaa that are known for being upon the Sunnah and teaching it.
I finally read that “Newsweek” article. What does any “black power” movement in Central and South America have to do with Muslims, since their call is to unite the people based on their color or african origin. The Majority of the people in that region, both black and whatever else, are NOT Muslims. They’re probably catholic christians.
There is nothing that the Muslims have in common with black folks in that region, or anywhere else, except eemaan or belief in Allaah, His Messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) and Allaah’s Deen. These people who you “assert” or perhaps “love” because they have african origin don’t have eemaan. That’s the biggest proof against this wack thread.
So as to not cause further “noise” on this post send me an email to abuusama at gmail dot com and I will respond
@ everyone I figured will Daud and sidekick would keep their post short if beat them to the punch with there comments but nevertheless I regret provoking them as this is a very informative article thats warrents discussion
@Daud
My appologies to you also because my I think my provoking has lead you to write something which you might want to reconsider.
[quote] The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa salaam) said on the authority of Ubayy Bin Ka
This a great article. I hope our efforts link up with our brethern in the Middle East and North Africa starts a movement of consciousness among our people.
I can see a war coming between blacks who seek just be muslims and those who still are proud of their heritage.
I will definitely take up arms with the camp who are proud of their heritage.
I will not submit to Arab or Desi supremacy and any blackman doing so is an enemy.
Follow Daud’s advice and drop that evil black culture of yours and adopt the culture of the Sunnah. It is much better for your mental health. You have no proof that it is permissible to follow black culture in this deen of ours
I feel sorry for people who hate the way they are made and feel they have to self-righteously insult a race of people (probably their own) in the name of Islam.
How is it possible that ignorant Muslims living in the west, who know NOTHING about any of the Islaamic Sciences at the level of a scholar, concoct criteria and requirements for scholars?!? This is very strange.
It is one thing to allow heated discussion or to allow people freedom to express their views it is quite another to allow open attacks on leaders not involved in the conversation without any valid proof. Allah has rebuked this Quran by admonishing those who heard lies, without rejecting them (as in the case of Aiesha (ra)). No leader is perfect and all of them make mistakes, ok cool if someone wants to point out specific flaws (whatever) but to allow them to make up lies or even suggest lies, that is unIslamic. And should not be allowed.
@ ASA Ron
Please re-think your sentiments all Muslims should be free of the types of thoughts you posted, these brothers are deluded and uneducated and should be pietied, prayed for them and give them much salaams, don’t allow them to get you angry (note to self as well). Self-hated can last only long in the face to true comradery. I’m telling you everyone who adheres to the Salafi dawah isn’t like this. There is a difference between the accumulation of ilm and faqi-deen.
———– cut -n- paste warning ——————-
the Prophet (saws), said “None of you will enter Jennah until you truly believe and none of you will truly believe until you mutually love each other.” Shouldn
I was referred to as “black” before I was cleaned up and accepted this noble deen and the Sunnah. If you have a problem with me referring to black culture as filthy, then know that I have been preceeded in this speech by our Salaf:
Abul Ijlas says that he heard `Ali telling `Abdullah Ibn Saba: “By Allah, I have not hidden any secret from anyone which the Holy Prophet told me. I heard the Holy Prophet saying that there would appear thirty liars before the last day, and you are one of them.” Once Suwaid ibn Ghafalah visited `Ali during his reign and told him that he had passed a few people amongst whom was ibn Saba speaking ill of Abu Bakr. They claimed that you also held the same opinion.” `Ali retorted: “I have nothing to do with this black filthy creature. I seek refuge from Allah that I hold any opinion other than the best for Abu Bakr and `Umar.” He then exiled ibn Saba saying that he could not tolerate to live with him in one city. `Ali then ascended the pulpit, and after relating the story said: “I will lash anyone who prefers me over Abu Bakr and `Umar, the lashing of a slanderer.”
Likewise, I have nothing to do with these black filthy creatures that do nothing but commit shirk, get drunk, sell drugs, fornicate, kill each other like animals and generally act like sub-humans. These people should be prevented from reproducing and I HATE THEM for Allaah with the utmost of HATRED that one can have and I resent you associating this noble deen to these savages.
Is this the “culture” you are calling me and Daud to when we are calling to the ulamaa and the way of the salaf? I am free from them and Islam is free from them. They are a filthy people and stop associating Islam with them. Rather we should associate with our ulamaa who are NOT here in the West
“There is nothing that the Muslims have in common with black folks in that region, or anywhere else, except eemaan or belief in Allaah, His Messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) and Allaah
As Salaamu alaykum wa ramatulillahi wa barakatu, Exactly how were you cleaned up? And you’ve made some very sweeping generalizations by saying
“that do nothing but commit shirk, get drunk, sell drugs, fornicate, kill each other like animals and generally act like sub-humans. These people should be prevented from reproducing ”
matter of fact InshaAllah some of you reading this may gain some benefit from what I’ve written despite my ignorance and continual state of trying to learn, for only if Allah please will there be any benefit, as for the multitude of errors in understanding and typos those belong to me.
Again I am not calling inhibitively towards Blackamerican culture, I’m calling Blackamerican Muslims organize, establish leadership to use the transformative nature of Islam to call ALL Americans to tawheed and to clean up Blackamerican culture in the inner cities
May Allaah have mercy on Amadou, and let his murder be expiation for his sins…Aameen.
Sean Bell. It’s not permissible for a Muslim to make du’a for a disbeliever. Sean Bell will be in the Hell-Fire because paradise is forbidden for the disbelievers. Sean is regretting every time he heard of Allaah, and His messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam), and His Deen, and went about his way not heeding the call.
I see that YOU have decreed that Sean Bell will be in Hell. Is it not an aqeedah point that only Allah can put individuals in Hell or Heaven and we are silent on their status?
You all should not let your haterd of blacks to take you to such extremes
You asked me: “…Is it not an aqeedah point that only Allah can put individuals in Hell or Heaven and we are silent on their status?…”
Answer: Yes. No one can say a BELIEVER will be in Hell or Paradise because their affair is with Allaah.
Now let me ask you a simple question…
Are you trying to imply that a kafr will be in Paradise!?! What Muslim would ever think that? Sean Bell did not believe Laa ilaha ilallaah, so he died upon kufr, and know that right now he is being punished in his grave for not being able to answer the three questions correctly, which is only the beginning. Your Lord said that Paradise is haram for the disbelievers. Is it necessary for me to post the ayaat, or bring ahadith?
Don’t let your impermissible walaa’ for black people, just because they’re black, take YOU to extremes because most of them are kuffar.
Denying the kufr of the kuffar is an act of kufr itself, that can nullify ones Islaam.
My, my Daud…calm down. You people let your extreme hatred for everyone (especially blacks) to consume you.
Every dead person’s affair is with Allah and you are giving GENERAL principles. We can not put a SPECIFIC person in Hell or Heaven except as mentioned by Allah or His Messenger (SAWS). Pharoah is in Hell, Abu Lahab is in Hell, etc, but we can not put Sean Bell or any other person not SPECIFICALLY mentioned in either place.
I did not say that Sean Bell was in Heaven or Hell. Stop twisting my words. I said that I am SILENT on the issue as this is the affair of Allah. How do you know that he heard about Islam? How do YOU know that he will not be from the ‘Ahl al-Fatara’? Are you aware of the hadith of ‘Ahl al-fatara’? How do you know that he or anyone else is not from amongst them? How do you know with such certainty that he is being punished in the grave? Do you have knowledge of the unseen? That alone is enough to make putting anyone in Hell an overstepping of the bounds for us. Have YOU received relvelation that he or any other person is being punished in the grave? Putting people in Hell is for Allah and not us.
Yes, bring me an ayah that says that **Sean Bell** SPECIFICALLY is in Hell as YOU (and only YOU) said and not a general ayah or hadith that GENERALLY says that peple who disbelieve will be in Hell.
For me, this is not a black or white issue (as it is for you all who hate blacks)
“This a great article. I hope our efforts link up with our brethern in the Middle East and North Africa starts a movement of consciousness among our people.”
Who are your Brethen in those regions you are implying? Last i checked they are all Your Brethen as Muslim’s? This is what i will never understand. There is nothing wrong if you want to be classified as a Black Muslim but to call unity just based on that is against Islam no question’s asked. Iam Somali and a Black Muslim is the same to me as an Arab. I wouldnt distinguish between them because a Muslim is a Muslim no matter where they are from.
The Messenger of Allaah said “Allaah made Paradise HARAM for the disbelievers”. They must come to guidance i.e. Islaam–by Allaah’s permission–before they die; or they will be in the Hell-Fire, forever!
As Salaamu Alaykum,
To me this article gives a clear indication of the impact that a social contract obtained by Blackamerican Muslims would have on the African diaspora in the rest of world. Allahu Alim
Please elaborate on this social contract?
I would like to see more Afro-Latins do this.
I once did a term paper in my Spanish class about Latin Americans. The “diversity”that is a fixture in their country is based on the things that is based on the things that is mentioned in the article.It’s also sad because, some of these same people who deny their heritage still faced some form of racial contempt. For example(s). In some parts of Mexico, depending on what part of Mexico they live in. In Veracruz, they were likely to embrace their Blackness, while the ones who lived in Oaxaca denied it. The sad thing about it is that they still get placed at the bottom of Mexican society.
Even in 2008 the racism/denial is still apparent. It doesn’t take a genius to see the lack of Blacks on Latin American television.
You know reading this reminded of Bushwick Bill’s verse from the Geto Boys song “The World is a Ghetto” basically in almost every country in the world there is an area where dark-complexioned decendent’s of the African diaspora live under conditions worst than the mainstream of that country and who are called by a local pejorative.
This includes the Muslim lands so whether it’s cities like Basra, Mecca, Palestine or Sanaa that also have these same “ghettoes” (yes I already no the history of the word from france, anyway) areas where decedents of Africans are mistreated.
…waits for the shrill “evil speech” and “filthy black culture” comments…
Yet there a cure and it’s Islam pure Islam not this “hislam” that some try to promote. Islam allows each ethic group to show it’s diversity, gather and organize its people as a society.
Abu Usamah al-Aswad
Wait for ” you are calling for assabiya” comments…
Abu Usamah you may make light of the situation, but the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa salam) said that the one that calls to assabiyyah can bite on the penis of his Father.
You need to think about this and follow the ulamaa that are known for being upon the Sunnah and teaching it.
Aboo Abdillah, you are ridiculous
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An’am 6:153 And verily, this is my Straight Path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His Path…
@ Abu Usamah al-Aswad
You said: “Islam allows each ethic group to show it
I finally read that “Newsweek” article. What does any “black power” movement in Central and South America have to do with Muslims, since their call is to unite the people based on their color or african origin. The Majority of the people in that region, both black and whatever else, are NOT Muslims. They’re probably catholic christians.
There is nothing that the Muslims have in common with black folks in that region, or anywhere else, except eemaan or belief in Allaah, His Messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) and Allaah’s Deen. These people who you “assert” or perhaps “love” because they have african origin don’t have eemaan. That’s the biggest proof against this wack thread.
…And Another Thing
Allaah’s Deen is complete:
…This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Isl
@JT
So as to not cause further “noise” on this post send me an email to abuusama at gmail dot com and I will respond
@ everyone I figured will Daud and sidekick would keep their post short if beat them to the punch with there comments but nevertheless I regret provoking them as this is a very informative article thats warrents discussion
@Daud
My appologies to you also because my I think my provoking has lead you to write something which you might want to reconsider.
[quote] The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa salaam) said on the authority of Ubayy Bin Ka
distinction NOT does indicate superiority nor inferiority
asshabiyah…
muslim is one
http://muslimaya.com
This a great article. I hope our efforts link up with our brethern in the Middle East and North Africa starts a movement of consciousness among our people.
I can see a war coming between blacks who seek just be muslims and those who still are proud of their heritage.
I will definitely take up arms with the camp who are proud of their heritage.
I will not submit to Arab or Desi supremacy and any blackman doing so is an enemy.
Salaam
Black culture is filthy and these people should stop trying to call us to it. We hte Muslims have nothing to do with these filthy creatures whatsoever
@ Abu Usamah
Follow Daud’s advice and drop that evil black culture of yours and adopt the culture of the Sunnah. It is much better for your mental health. You have no proof that it is permissible to follow black culture in this deen of ours
I feel sorry for people who hate the way they are made and feel they have to self-righteously insult a race of people (probably their own) in the name of Islam.
And they don’t even realize that by insulting the creation, they are also insulting the Creator.
May Allah protect us.
@ As Salaamu Alaykum Br. Daud,
I’m still waiting for you to post your criteria or list of requirments for a scholar?
How is it possible that ignorant Muslims living in the west, who know NOTHING about any of the Islaamic Sciences at the level of a scholar, concoct criteria and requirements for scholars?!? This is very strange.
I’ll get back to you on this, soon
@ ASA Tariq
It is one thing to allow heated discussion or to allow people freedom to express their views it is quite another to allow open attacks on leaders not involved in the conversation without any valid proof. Allah has rebuked this Quran by admonishing those who heard lies, without rejecting them (as in the case of Aiesha (ra)). No leader is perfect and all of them make mistakes, ok cool if someone wants to point out specific flaws (whatever) but to allow them to make up lies or even suggest lies, that is unIslamic. And should not be allowed.
@ ASA Ron
Please re-think your sentiments all Muslims should be free of the types of thoughts you posted, these brothers are deluded and uneducated and should be pietied, prayed for them and give them much salaams, don’t allow them to get you angry (note to self as well). Self-hated can last only long in the face to true comradery. I’m telling you everyone who adheres to the Salafi dawah isn’t like this. There is a difference between the accumulation of ilm and faqi-deen.
———– cut -n- paste warning ——————-
the Prophet (saws), said “None of you will enter Jennah until you truly believe and none of you will truly believe until you mutually love each other.” Shouldn
@ Abu Usamah
I was referred to as “black” before I was cleaned up and accepted this noble deen and the Sunnah. If you have a problem with me referring to black culture as filthy, then know that I have been preceeded in this speech by our Salaf:
Likewise, I have nothing to do with these black filthy creatures that do nothing but commit shirk, get drunk, sell drugs, fornicate, kill each other like animals and generally act like sub-humans. These people should be prevented from reproducing and I HATE THEM for Allaah with the utmost of HATRED that one can have and I resent you associating this noble deen to these savages.
Is this the “culture” you are calling me and Daud to when we are calling to the ulamaa and the way of the salaf? I am free from them and Islam is free from them. They are a filthy people and stop associating Islam with them. Rather we should associate with our ulamaa who are NOT here in the West
A Salaamu Alaikum,
“There is nothing that the Muslims have in common with black folks in that region, or anywhere else, except eemaan or belief in Allaah, His Messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) and Allaah
@ Aboo Abdillah H,
As Salaamu alaykum wa ramatulillahi wa barakatu, Exactly how were you cleaned up? And you’ve made some very sweeping generalizations by saying
“that do nothing but commit shirk, get drunk, sell drugs, fornicate, kill each other like animals and generally act like sub-humans. These people should be prevented from reproducing ”
Yet you also say “I was referred to as
matter of fact InshaAllah some of you reading this may gain some benefit from what I’ve written despite my ignorance and continual state of trying to learn, for only if Allah please will there be any benefit, as for the multitude of errors in understanding and typos those belong to me.
Again I am not calling inhibitively towards Blackamerican culture, I’m calling Blackamerican Muslims organize, establish leadership to use the transformative nature of Islam to call ALL Americans to tawheed and to clean up Blackamerican culture in the inner cities
May Allaah have mercy on Amadou, and let his murder be expiation for his sins…Aameen.
Sean Bell. It’s not permissible for a Muslim to make du’a for a disbeliever. Sean Bell will be in the Hell-Fire because paradise is forbidden for the disbelievers. Sean is regretting every time he heard of Allaah, and His messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa salam), and His Deen, and went about his way not heeding the call.
That’s the difference
@ Daud
I see that YOU have decreed that Sean Bell will be in Hell. Is it not an aqeedah point that only Allah can put individuals in Hell or Heaven and we are silent on their status?
You all should not let your haterd of blacks to take you to such extremes
@ salafi burnout
You asked me: “…Is it not an aqeedah point that only Allah can put individuals in Hell or Heaven and we are silent on their status?…”
Answer: Yes. No one can say a BELIEVER will be in Hell or Paradise because their affair is with Allaah.
Now let me ask you a simple question…
Are you trying to imply that a kafr will be in Paradise!?! What Muslim would ever think that? Sean Bell did not believe Laa ilaha ilallaah, so he died upon kufr, and know that right now he is being punished in his grave for not being able to answer the three questions correctly, which is only the beginning. Your Lord said that Paradise is haram for the disbelievers. Is it necessary for me to post the ayaat, or bring ahadith?
Don’t let your impermissible walaa’ for black people, just because they’re black, take YOU to extremes because most of them are kuffar.
Denying the kufr of the kuffar is an act of kufr itself, that can nullify ones Islaam.
My, my Daud…calm down. You people let your extreme hatred for everyone (especially blacks) to consume you.
Every dead person’s affair is with Allah and you are giving GENERAL principles. We can not put a SPECIFIC person in Hell or Heaven except as mentioned by Allah or His Messenger (SAWS). Pharoah is in Hell, Abu Lahab is in Hell, etc, but we can not put Sean Bell or any other person not SPECIFICALLY mentioned in either place.
I did not say that Sean Bell was in Heaven or Hell. Stop twisting my words. I said that I am SILENT on the issue as this is the affair of Allah. How do you know that he heard about Islam? How do YOU know that he will not be from the ‘Ahl al-Fatara’? Are you aware of the hadith of ‘Ahl al-fatara’? How do you know that he or anyone else is not from amongst them? How do you know with such certainty that he is being punished in the grave? Do you have knowledge of the unseen? That alone is enough to make putting anyone in Hell an overstepping of the bounds for us. Have YOU received relvelation that he or any other person is being punished in the grave? Putting people in Hell is for Allah and not us.
Yes, bring me an ayah that says that **Sean Bell** SPECIFICALLY is in Hell as YOU (and only YOU) said and not a general ayah or hadith that GENERALLY says that peple who disbelieve will be in Hell.
For me, this is not a black or white issue (as it is for you all who hate blacks)
A Salaamu Alaikum,
I will not repeat what Salafi Burnout had to say I’ll just try to add to the discussion:
“May Allaah have mercy on Amadou, and let his murder be expiation for his sins
Ron Said
“This a great article. I hope our efforts link up with our brethern in the Middle East and North Africa starts a movement of consciousness among our people.”
Who are your Brethen in those regions you are implying? Last i checked they are all Your Brethen as Muslim’s? This is what i will never understand. There is nothing wrong if you want to be classified as a Black Muslim but to call unity just based on that is against Islam no question’s asked. Iam Somali and a Black Muslim is the same to me as an Arab. I wouldnt distinguish between them because a Muslim is a Muslim no matter where they are from.
Daud
You can not say for sure a Kafir will go to hell because Allah is forgiving. Only he can judge.
The Messenger of Allaah said “Allaah made Paradise HARAM for the disbelievers”. They must come to guidance i.e. Islaam–by Allaah’s permission–before they die; or they will be in the Hell-Fire, forever!