Near WWIII?
Posted on January 8th, 2009 by Tariq Nelson
I fear the same thing. Now with Lebanon shooting missiles in Israel from the North, this looks more plausible
Some are getting their wish to see the entire world burn
I repeat: There will NEVER be a solution to this situation as long as each side thinks they have divine authority to act with impunity
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I believe the world powers have been involved in WWIII for several years now, it’s just we don’t give an event a name until after it has passed.
In Hamas case, if their mission was “divine”, then why did they participated a Western secular form of governmen; Democracy in 2005 where they won the election?
I think we should be very cautious calling what happens in Gaza a religious war.
And second, we don’t really know who fired these missiles.
The basis of what is happening in that region is religion. You should see the hate mail that I got after I said that I do NOT believe that Jews should be wiped out and exterminated. I KNOW that there are extremists on BOTH sides and can not deny it.
One lunatic has called upon Muslims to kill a Jew any place on earth we find them. I’m sorry but I think that is STUPID and reject it 100%. But these people are calling for this crap in the name of religion. Zionists believe they have a DIVINE right to that little strip of land and some of them will kill for a “Greater Israel”.
I sit firmly in the middle. I do not believe that Palestinians should be wiped out. But I also do not believe that Jews should be wiped out. This stance has gotten me into a lot of trouble with some people…but I don’t care
Tariq,
Let me help you.
Next time someone sends you hate mail; make it public with the e-mail address and IPN (?) numbers. I have seen other bloggers do the same with great success, and also, the readers on your blog will believe your problem.
To go back to the topic. Another reason we should be very cautious to blame who fired these missiles is remember what happened in Georgia last summer.
I most certainly will gess. I was going to do that the next time I got an open THREAT. But as it is, these idiots post opinions. I usually fwd the emails to friends so that they can see the stupidity that it out there.
I did not blame anyone for firing any missiles. All I did was state that they missiles were fired from Lebanon, PERIOD.
I am NOT calling for WWIII. I said that I FEAR it. You can hate me all you want, but that will not change the fact that this situation is terrible. You can blame ME for the problems and believe I am some wicked person and I will just continue on with my life as usual.
Tariq,
Don’t let these people get under your skin. You do a lot of good work in the community that people see and appreciate. There will always be people that are going to try to get you to stop your work. Just continue to ignore the comments of people like the ones above
Syria and Jordan will probably be drawn in soon as well. It could be a full blown regional war soon. Then there is Iran waiting in the wings to join in at just the right time.
Thanks Bush
Yo Imam,
Stop accusation!
This is a public blog, and I don’t have to agree with Tariq every time. Do you call it, Imam, harassment challenging Tariq’s view? Remember, this blog was set up for the purpose “self-criticism”.
Disagreement with anyone is fine as long as it is with respect.
I would love to see some of these emails you get as posts on your blog. Then we could compare notes.
Sigh….
@ fairuza
Email me if you are serious. Thing is that if you don’t toe the line perfectly, then you are cast out. period
Assalaamualaikum:
I understood your first post and I see the repeat of your general thesis here. If I am correct you are saying that the source of the problem is that both sides believe they have divine mandate.
Is there any way that seeing it in this perspective allows the nuances of particular instances/events to escape? For instance, can we say definitely that every action committed is religious?
I would have to agree with Gess on that although people might be speaking in religious terminology it does not mean that every action they commit excludes contemplation of the political, economic or social. (i.e. when “Islamist” organizations participate in elections, when they do not always embrace fundamentalist ideals, when participation in civic society allows them to move away from more radical ideals and engage with the democratic process). My thoughts are motivated by the work of Princeton professor Amaney Jamal and Dr. Mohja Kahf’s husband (his name escapes me) who has studied Islamist groups.
I also think that your thesis limits the horizon of possibility of how the international community should react to a humanitarian crisis such as this one. If we view these types of crisis as inherently fatalist to what extent does that nullify any decision to act for civilians? For humanity?
I think that naming it as religious works in the same way that people name conflicts as simply “tribal” or “ethnic” in a manner that positions things as inevitable when there are numerous mechanisms that create conflict and that can potentially be manuevered in order to create spaces for resolution.
@ Muslimahcomments
No, I am not saying that each and every action is done in the name of religion. There are secular forces on both sides.
I am saying that the ROOT of this problem lies in the fact that there is a belief that there is a divine mandate.
The international community can provide relief, but will not be able to bring a permanent peace. There will be war without end for as far as anyone can see as long as divinity comes into the question.
Tariq,
Is Israel a Jewish or secular state?
And what is wrong with categoriseing the state of Israel like Apartheid in South Africa? There you have Zionism foreign European ideology like racist state in the Apartheid state in South Africa.
Israel is a Jewish State and THAT is part of the problem. Jews have more rights than anyone else. Everyone should (ideally) be able to live together in one state, but they insist on a Jewish State because they believe that is God’s “chosen land” or whatever.
They have to leave…period
As usual, Tariq speaks about something related to the Deen of Islaam without knowledge:
“There will NEVER be a solution to this situation as long as each side thinks they have divine authority to act with impunity”
You are in conflict of what Allaah said,
65:2 “…And whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty).”
65:3 And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whosoever puts his trust in Allâh, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allâh will accomplish his purpose. Indeed Allâh has set a measure for all things.
Tariq, if you recall when you read Usoolul Thalaatha–since you were “Salafi” and all–Tawakkal (Trust and Reliance in Allaah) is an act of worship. It also is not necessarily tied to an act of Ibaadah, so you can commit kufr in Allaah in this matter simply by having bad thoughts about Allaah. You should not make that kind of statement.
We love the Muslims among Palestianians for their eemaan; but we hate for the sake of Allaah the raafidah shi’a i.e. Hamas & Hezbollah for their kufr and shirk, and making mischief in the region; and the Muslim hates all the other partisan groups operating there as well.
Once the Palestinians stop committing shirk with Allaah, by seeking protection from “blue-eyed beads” which is wide-spread there; repent to Allaah and learn correct Islaam; then Allaah will stop humiliating them. We have to make du’a that Allaah delivers these people.
The Reminder benefits the believer: The Palestinians should be afraid, as should the rest of the Muslims, of being passed-over by Allaah.
5:54 O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islâm), Allâh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love him…”
We all need to reflect on this Ayah, make Tawbah to Allaah, and learn this Deen correctly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not “whatever”, Tariq. I have not seen any document where it stated that Israel is a Jewish State.
I don’t know why you hurry to brand religious war. The founding fathers of Israel were not religious. They were White supremacists from Europe who adopted a European supremacist ideology. Where in history book do you find similar mindset in the Middle East? Becuase it never existed in that region, like other European ideologies you will find in the region.
BTW, Tariq, White supremacists in Apartheid South Africa believed that they were also “Chosen people”.
Gess,
I agree with Tariq. Even though Israel is a secular state, one religious group has more rights than any religious or ethnic group. So, that makes them a Jewish state.
And, the secularist forefathers of modern day Isreal starting with Theodore Herzl wouldn’t have had an argument for a Jewish state in Palestine except for Judaism. Britain offered the Zionists land in East Africa, Germany offered Madagascar. Japan offered land in Mongolia and Shanghai. Even Russia offered land.
The majority of them would only settle for Palestine.
I do agree with you that many things in Israel parallel apartheid and Jim Crow.
@ Abdul-Kareem, gess, others
You do realize that in most Muslim countries that Muslims have more rights than anyone else? Do you think that those situations need to be corrected as well? Or is it ONLY the situation in Israel?
It’s only a problem when someone other than muslims do it. I’d think that would be fairly obvious by now.
As-Salaamu-Alaikum
Israel is a Zionist state created by leading Jewish Nationalist leaders, “the great majority of whom were believed to have no interest in the Jewish religion”. This is why there was a split within the Jewish community. Mass execution of the Jews in the Austro-Hungary Empire in the last quarter of the 19th century convinced Zionists to undertake a political movement. The Zionist movement for the creation of an artificial Jewish state in their so-called “Promised Land”—Zion, became a political movement when Dr. Theodore Herzl published his book, Judenstaate (The Jewish State). Based on this work, was born the World Jewry. He states:
The distinctive nationality of the Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed….The Jewish question…is a national question which can be solved only by making it a political world-question to be discussed and settled by the civilized nations of the world in council.
In other words, Zionism became a political national movement. However, with their insistence to return to Palestine, the movement was given a religious dimension to gain the acceptance of many who were opposed to it. Many Ultra-Orthodox Jews believed that political Zionism was incompatible with the religious basis of Jewry and that it introduced the concept of a secular Jewish nationality. However, with the mass pogroms of the Jews in Russia, many Orthodox Jews became a prey to the Zionists agenda.
The religious aspect of the Zionists was further enhanced with the political blessings from the British government. The infamous Balfour Declaration had at its core sympathy for the Jewish Zionist aspirations. The Anglo-Saxon British government (Zionist Jews controlled many aspects of British society) is the perpetrator of the artificial Jewish Zionist State of Israel in Palestine, which never belonged to the people who followed Judaism, historically, but occupied it through conquest for a very brief period. The following statement from the Balfour Declaration clearly shows that the Zionist project was embroiled with Judaism in its intrigues so as to bestow religious legitimacy on itself and to gain the support of the world Jewry:
His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
The Balfour Declaration does not speak of the political rights of the original people of Palestine. This is why Palestinians cannot have an independent state. The basic document calling for the creation of the Jewish State of Israel in Palestine, in other words, deliberately omitted the “political rights” of the Palestinians. The exercise of political rights by the Palestinian majority would deny the very existence of Israel.
In every aspect of Israel, the cause of the Jews and Judaism has been promoted by the Zionists to give their colonial project a religious legitimacy and hence above international criticism and condemnation of its heinous crimes and illegalities. The Israeli land doctrine calling for the redemption of all non-Jewish land to Jewish ownership is not only a foremost national obligation but also has been made a religious duty to acquire it. Israeli Land Laws justifies Israeli confiscation of Palestinian lands as Jewish land belonging to the “Land of Israel”. Furthermore, under the law of return, any Jew from any part of the world has the right to settle in Israel. The Minister of Interior does not have a right to deny any Jew this right of return and, by implication the right to settle in Israel. In short, Israel is an ever expanding state. To a pragmatic realist and to a sincere believer in Judaism, who understand the Zionists policies and geo-politics, “The Road to Peace” is just a Zionist concept, never to materialize but aimed to perpetuate the promotion of false hope among the Palestinians and the wider non-Zionist world.
All illegal actions against the Palestinians have been given legal status through Zionist Israeli laws, which are considered by the Western perpetrators of the crime as Israeli domestic laws, hence out of the jurisdiction of international law or International Court of Justice. Falsehood is at the core of Zionism for there was no Zion to begin with. If Christendom really believes that Jews are the “Chosen People”, then I conclude by asking the questions– Why did Jesus come? What is your salvation?
© Sultana Afroz