Take A Position!

91 Responses to “Take A Position!”

Umar Lee, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am Said:

I agree with a lot of what you are saying Tariq. The two sides will never live in peace because at the root of this conflict is religion. This is why the peace movements and the international community will never come up with a solution to this conflict. If one side believes they are he chosen people and the other believes Palestine is a waqf to he ummah how can there be peace? How can al-Aqsa and the Third Temple exist at the same time? I have written my thoughts on Gaza as well on my site and I am issuing a call for martyrs from Muslims in the West.
gess, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:25 am Said:

First, there are already martyrs ready to fight for Palestinians
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=948&Itemid=1

and willing to sacrifice: rachelcorrie.org

second, please give references from the Qur’an and Sunnah where Allah(SWT) Claims that Jews are not Human beings? If they were not, then why did the Prophet(PBUH) allowed the Jews to live in Muslim country?

The problem is not and never been the Jews, but Zionism, which Jews are victims of. The problem of Zionism is that it is entirely an European ideology.

Israel with its attendant Zionist ideology must be viewed as a foreign transplant that has consistently been rejected by its Arab host. Had the colonial settlers been other non-Jewish Europeans with an ideology typical of previous colonial enterprises, they never would have lasted in the aftermath of WW2 when de-colonization was on the world’s agenda. In establishing a colonial settler state when it did, the Zionists were going against history and were bound to incur resistance from the indigenous Arab population. This resistance will only increase no matter what happens in Gaza. The truth that the Jewish world as well as the non-Jewish Western world must face is there is absolutely no place for a European-oriented Jewish state in the Middle East. The belief that a “two-state solution” would resolve the inherent conflict has not only never had a basis in reality but, in practice, it is has served as a protective cover for further dispossession of the Palestinians from their homeland. Had it not been for the political and economic power of organized Jewry exerted over the body politic and the media in the West, but primarily, in the US, Israel would have folded its tent long ago and the world would have been far better off.
Jeffrey Blankfort
Tariq Nelson, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 am Said:

@ gess

I am referring to factions that claim that Jews are apes and pigs and say to slaughter all of them. These factions DO exist, just like the extremists on the other side exist. I deny neither.
Abdul-Kareem, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 am Said:

I don’t take a side either although I am Muslim. I don’t believe that Jews are God’s chosen people. I don’t believe that Arabs are God’s chosen people. I don’t think any differently of Jews than I do of any other group of people. I don’t believe Palestine is Holy Land for either side. So, I too don’t see a solution to the problem any time soon as long as both sides believe that God is on their side.

I’ll add one more reason to why I’m neutral on the issue. As a black man, I wouldn’t be considered an equal in either society. If I lived in a village where there were to Abdul-Kareems. One would be referred to as Abdul-Kareem and I would be referred to as black Abdul-Kareem. I’m not picking on them. I’ve posed the question to Palestinians I know and this is what I’ve been told. Why proclaim allegiance to a group of people that would discriminate against me? Why proclaim allegiance to a group of people that would bring back slavery if an Islamic Caliphate reappeared?
Abdul-Kareem, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am Said:

I know that there are rational and free-thinking people on both sides, but no matter how I approach this issue, I don’t see why I should claim a side. I hate seeing the loss of life. And I do believe Israel is an occupying force that illegitimately came to power, but they are there now and they aren’t going anywhere. They have the weight of the international community behind them. Palestine has no allies. The only leverage they have is violence and playing the victim.

I have no connection to Middle Eastern culture. Even being of the same faith as most Palestinians is not enough for me to say I am with them, at least ON THEIR TERMS. I despise what the Israelis are doing. But I also hate suicide bombers and indiscriminate rocket firings into Israeli territory.
Dr. Fatimah Jackson, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am Said:

Alhamdulillah for your piece on this tragedy, Tariq. I have written to Barack Obama asking him to make Palestine one of his top issues upon assuming the Presidency. However, unlike you, I feel that there is still an opportunity for an acceptable resolution. I have suggested that the US assist in student and scholar exchanges between the people of Israel and the people of Gaza. One is less likely to continue bombing a people who are hosting your children or your scholars. My emphasis on this strategy is a result of long and productive conversations with an Orthodox Jewish colleague with whom we shared our mutual love of God and His Prophets and our mutual acknowledgment and respect for His Laws. Once I came to understand the perspectives of Orthodox Judaism, I could better appreciate our similarities as well as differences more fully. By far the similarities were much greater than the differences. Dehumanization precedes warfare. Information and meaningful contact can limit the potential for dehumanization.
Pure Pundit, on January 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm Said:

Tariq and Abdul-Kareem,

Both of you made some good points and this is certainly a very sad situation. I’d add that I hate when this becomes a litmus test for a person’s Islam - “Brother, what is YOUR position on Israel/Palestine/the crisis?”

At the end of the day, I do pray for justice, peace, and an end to this ridiculous bloodshed and suffering.
Ron, on January 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm Said:

Why would a black muslim even consider this to be an issue to take a side?

Brother Tariq you have no obligation to give your position on this conflict.

Palestinians and/or Israelies (on a collective level) have no love for black people and would never shed a tear for us.

I love it when so-called muslims ask me about my position on this issue. I respond by saying what is your position on Sudan, Mauritania, Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Gaza, and Oman regarding the treatment of Black People in these countries. They usually have no answer but to say, “Brother racism is impermissible in Islam.”

I give them a look to get out of my face because we have nothing to talk about.

Salaam
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm Said:

@Abdul-Kareem

You make a good point, if I may, allow me to ask you this, I know of several Arab Muslim Palestinains with family in Gaza who give thousands of dollars which go towards helping poor Blackamerican Muslims, even if we exclude the “being Muslim” factor shouldn’t we be supportive of those who support us?

I have spoken out against the Palestine issue being held as THEE litmus test for Muslim unity, and I’ve spoken against the haraam that SOME Palestinians sell in hoods across America, yet there are babies dying in Gaza and we should at least be sensitive to that.

Some will say”but they call us abeed.” so no doubt your point about racism has some validity, yet there are Palestinians of African descent such as Ali Jiddah and others who’ve fought not for Arabism but for THEIR homeland.

In the precints of Masjid al-Aqsa there’s a contengent of Black Palestinians who are desendents from the traditional Black guards of Masjid al-Aqsa (Masjid al-Haram and Masjid al-Nabawi also had Black guards) as well as Black Palestinians in Gaza, Sinai, Nagab and Rahat, and they are just as Palestinian as any Arab and we must not be blinded to that.

Another point which often gets neglected is that as horrible as the oppression is in Palestine, the number of deaths there attributed to conflict since 1948, is a small fraction of the Muslim deaths in comparison to Muslim deaths in Africa attributed to conflict yet there is virtually no outrage (except for the Sudan)

So I side with the Muslims where they are correct, yet our concern for Muslim life should be universal inshaAllah
MR, on January 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm Said:

إن الله يدافع عن الذين آمنوا

That pretty much sums it up.
Abdul-Kareem, on January 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm Said:

Abu Usamah al-Aswad,

I support truth and justice regardless of who it comes from. I abhor violence and oppression no matter who it comes from. I abhor the innocent loss of “ANY” life, not just muslim life.

I have see racism in my community and even at the masjid and I have been at the receiving end of it.

A group of American brothers that I was a part of were once trying to establish some services to help all of the ex-convicts muslims who were rejoining the society. We also wanted to give dawah in the “hood” where most of us were from.

Our efforts were lambasted. We were called the NAACP on a few occasions by some who were in leadership positions. The situation came to a head until we had to meet with the non-English speaking “Sheikh” who told us through a translator that the masjid was following an ARAB program and we were welcome to join it (as is with no change). This was a mostly Palestinian/Jordanian masjid.

I know not all Arabs are racist or any group for that matter. My experiences don’t stop me from going to the masjid or involving my kids in community activities.
Daud, on January 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm Said:

@ Umar Lee

You said:

“…I am issuing a call for martyrs from Muslims in the West.”

Exactly what do you mean by that!?!
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 2nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm Said:

second, please give references from the Qur’an and Sunnah where Allah(SWT) Claims that Jews are not Human beings? If they were not, then why did the Prophet(PBUH) allowed the Jews to live in Muslim country?

It is in the Qur’an in three different verses: 7:166, 2:65, and 5:60

The hadith in question are:

Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ ”

Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ ”

Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

There is no room to dispute these things in Islam! PERIOD
Wayne_D, on January 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm Said:

I can always count on a more nuanced response from you Tariq
Umar Lee, on January 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm Said:

Daud,

If you read my post it is clear what I mean.

With regards to what Abdul-Kareem is saying I don’t think anyone can deny that. Everyone is free to organize their own communities and look after their own self-interest unless you are black and then if you do so they look at you like you are Malik Zulu Shabazz or something. However, I do not abhor violence. Violence is a reality of the human condition and Islam recognizes that.

Abu Usama,

I have also been to the haya afrique neighborhood in the Old City of Jerusalem and there are many black Palestinians in places like Jericho. It is a fact that there is anti-black racism in the Arab culture and amongst Arabs and Desis in America. However, we are still brothers in Islam and we cannot disregard their pain and suffering in Gaza.
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm Said:

@Umar

what’s with all the Detroit refrences lately? (by the way I owe you a post) anyway I don’t abhor violence either. I’m American and violence is as American as cherry pie.
unlizzted, on January 2nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm Said:

Umar lee wants the feds to kick down his door……Calling for what ? to go where? USA is a staunch ally of israel and hamas has been declared a terrorist regime by the USA…..So you will be like a few americans ..prosecuted by the patriot act or illegal enemy combatant, ..like daniel maldonado, john walker lindh, and padilla…..So watch what you call to…. … This issue returns back to deen(quran and sunnah)….not the typical black/white nationalistic talk from….al aswad and other nationalists here….@Ron you need to shut up with that racist garbage……The prophet said..”Whoever calls to jahileeyah (racism,nationalism) then let him bite the head of his father’s penis”(adabul mufrad bukhari)…..We’re muslims that’s enough…..All you nationalists Get busy bitin …unlizzted2009
amad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm Said:

I am sorry akhi Tariq, but there is a reason you are being asked to take a position. You have spoken, and may I add justly, about the terrorism inflicted by people who call themselves Muslims. And not in any part of the world, but rather in this same conflict.

So, it is only fair and just, that you similarly speak about terrorism inflicted by the other party. This is not just a Muslim duty, but a human duty. We have seen the just among the Jews, for instance, take the lead in producing some of the most compelling pieces lambasting Israel for this murderous carnage. Consider Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, a light in the darkness called Israel.

So, while I understand your nuanced approach, I do feel sometimes there are things that are as clear as day, and require unequivocal condemnation. Just like you didn’t hesitate to condemn the killing of students in the Jewish seminary with no ifs and buts, why did you feel it necessary to write an essay for what really should have been a straightforward piece of condemnation for state-terrorism. Don’t get me wrong, the essay is powerful (as your pieces usually are) and has its time and place, but not sure it is now.

Secondly, while there is jahiliyah that is still in the hearts of Arabs and other non-black Muslims against BAMs, why is the answer to jahiliyah from one side, returned jahiliyah from the other? Do we stand up for our brethren in just causes, only when they belong to our color, our race, or our nationality? No, never. Yes, we have had other Muslims die at other locations in larger numbers, but this is about Gaza now. It’s about the holy land now. It is about caged Muslims being bombarded by cowards from the safety of their jets.

“The believers in their affection, compassion and love for one another is like one single body. If a part of it suffers from pain, the whole body will suffer in pain.” (Hadith narrated by Imam Muslim)

I am sure this hadith is not new to people here. Notice how the Prophet (S) did not qualify the believers, or state the issue in terms of reciprocation. The message is absolutist. Making it relative to how others treated or treat us is a disease. Some of the comments here are afflicted with that disease, in the pure jahiliyah and racism. You know one does not even have to be a Muslim to feel for the women and children of Gaza. Woe to us when so many non-Muslims have a heart that feels more for these people than some of our own Muslim brethren!

In conclusion, I submit to you Imam Siraj’s message from MANA, a man whose love for ALL Muslims transcends ALL colors, and this wonderful article from Dr. Ali Shehata that discusses the balance between passivism and extremism.
unlissted, on January 2nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm Said:

Finally tariq I thought you were waiting to respond after the Jews totally obliterated palestine and killed all the palestinians…..oh I know football and bastard children and other weird fancies come before muslims who are being oppressed…… Oh yeah they arent the same color as you so they get put on the back burner…….unlissted2009 Umar Lee stop brown nosin…be yourself….You remind of the white boy who always felt he had to prove something to black folks when he came around. …… Unlizzted2009 reflect on deen not nationalistic kufr and other wasteful .kufr..
Umar Lee, on January 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm Said:

Unlissted,
You obviously do not know me. I am not one to kiss anyone’s butt. Ill get fired from a job or jumped or whatever before I ever do that. I see myself more like Dirty Harry, I am equal opportunity, I don’t like anybody black or white. Pookie, sitting on his mother’s porch selling crack and drinking red kool-aid and eating pork grinds is just as big a kafir as the Ivy league white guy on Wall Street, yuppie in Manhattan or redneck in the South. I have been on the outs of many black masjids because they wanted me to be a white guy kissing butt like you say I am, the only kind of white guy they will accept, and would not. I believe you are from Philly and I once had to go at it physically with the head of security of the Germantown Masjid there for talking stuff to me ( we later made amends). In Brooklyn I stopped going to Majid at-Taqwa because I used to always get into it with the crack baby security team who harassed brothers who just came to pray and hear Imam Siraj. In St. Louis, at another black masjid, an ignorant black Muslim like you got choked out for talking like you. So, I do not have anything to prove to anyone, black or white, and am not kissing any butt. However, as fact, at least black people and black culture is open to Islam, and black Americans are not enemies to Islam and Muslims, where as whites, as a whole, are enemies of Allah and this deen. Islam flourishes in the black community in a way it will never in the white community. But, if you bend over brother, I am telling you I would much rather kick you in the rear end than kiss it.

Abu Usmah,

Detroit is a symbol of what is happening in a lot of America and is similar to St. Louis in many ways.
Abdul-Kareem, on January 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm Said:

If someone was threatening me or my family. I will use violence to neutralize or eliminate the threat. However, I would hate having to do that. I feel the same about a justified war.

Amad is right. Regardless of the things that I dislike in Palestinian/Arab culture, they are my brothers and I hate seeing them suffer. But I have no place in the way they have framed there argument for statehood. I don’t agree with their argument.

I’m not a rabid Jew-hater. We have to admit that rabid Jew-hating is central to their argument. I don’t believe that God has given either side a land deed either.

Tawheed Not Shirk,

None of those hadith mentioned that the Jews were sub-human. Those hadith aren’t even referring to our current reality.

There are too many from amongst us who hate open debate and free thought.
Tariq Nelson, on January 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm Said:

@ Amad

I did not mention a racial element in this affair. I only said that as long as religion is involved, there will NEVER be a solution short of wiping one side out…PERIOD
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm Said:

Abdul-Kareem did you not read the ayaat of Quran that I gave you about the Jews being apes and pigs? Those hadith DO INDEED refer to our current reality. The Muslims WILL slaughter all of these beasts until none are left on earth. These are the words of our Messenger (sal Allaahu alayhi wa salam) and there is nothing for us to do but to submit to the truth that came from his lips. The Jews have been cursed and this is what the Qur’an says and (I assume) you repeat the ayaat in the Qur’an in each and every rakaah of your salaah during the day.

The Jews are evil and they are showing their evil
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm Said:

@Umar

you should heed unlizzted about what you call to, as he has probally already updated your dossier.

these saudi ring kissing “willful abeeds” like them walking around with big beards and taubs at their shins getting punk slapped by clean shaven dudes with goatees and taubs dragging on the ground, are suspect.

It’s not about Arab, Black or White, it’s about real and fake. dudes like unlizzted were fake before shahada the only thing that’s different instead of self-hating chitterlin’ eaters now they are self hating curry or tandori chicken eaters (I like both)

And what type of man enjoys the constant postings about the ananomy of anothers father? …unlizzted that is suspect on so many levels.

Anyway Umar think back to circa late 1990’s when many Black Imams spoke out in favor of the Palestinans and Bosnians? Look at where they are now, they have been either imprisoned, forced out of the country, branded as unindited co-conspiritors, under constant entrapment attempts or survalence.

Alhamdulillah, we must be firm in the deen be we must also use wisdom. “I” understand what you were calling but with likes of unlissted on their side your words could be misconscrewed.
Muslimahcomments, on January 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm Said:

Assalaamualaikum-
I get satire but I will have to say that I agree with amad on this one.

I as a black American Muslim women condemn attacks on civilians-whether they are Israeli or Palestinian. I see state sponsored terrorism or collective punishment in the same light that I see any type of terrorism.
Muslimahcomments, on January 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 pm Said:

Assalaamualaikum-

I just re-read your post and I got a deeper understanding of what you were saying. A re-read always does the trick…
amad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pm Said:

Tariq, my comments about racial elements were not directed to you AT ALL. I know you well enough, and as a friend, to never make any insinuations of racism in you.

That is why I referred to “Some of the comments here”, not your post.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. May Allah forgive us all, and help our oppressed brethren in Gaza, and protect ALL innocent civilians on BOTH sides (this does not mean that both sides are facing equal danger, it is obvious that the Palestinians are like sitting ducks right now and no match for 21st century weapons).
amad, on January 2nd, 2009 at 8:38 pm Said:

“tawheed not shirk”, for Allah’s sake, stop spreading ignorance and lies about what is contained in Allah’s book and His Messenger’s Sunnah.

Just like we hate stereotyping and generalizations about Muslims, we have to give the same courtesy to Jews, Christians and adherents of all other faiths. We cannot return Islamophobia with antisemitism and other hatred. Two wrongs do not make a right. I suggest you take the time to read Haaretz, where you will find that Jews are not monolithic, and there is a large chunk of them against this aggression, and more eloquent about it than you or me.

Your reading and interpretation of Quran and hadith are out of context and out of order. Furthermore, what benefit do you seek by calling others out, do you think that anything will change by doing so?

Instead, busy yourself with beneficial works. Make du’a for your brethren. Send money to the relief organizations. Write letters to your newspapers. The reason that Israel has sold its story so well is that do not waste time in useless polemics, but rather actively engage the media and politicians. Learn from your adversaries, and move on.

P.S. Pls don’t waste your time in responding to this with proof of why you are right. We all have more important things to do, some of which I mentioned here, and in which you could be helping the Muslims out.
Rasheed Moore, on January 2nd, 2009 at 11:53 pm Said:

@ Abu Usama Al-Aswad

You made some very good comments there needs to be a major healing between the Arabs/Palestinians and the BAM. We can’t turn a blind eye to blatant or concealed racism, but we can sacrifice the principles of Walaa and Baraa at the same time. So we must support the Muslims of Gaza on the sheer principles on not only Walaa and Baraa but simple humanitarian justice.

@ Tariq

I know you busy these days but you may want to put a filter on your comments certain comments shouldn’t even make it to post.
Ron, on January 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 am Said:

@ unlissted -

You name calling does not phase me but it is typical anti-black posturing and negationism.

I do not have time to worry about palestine and jerusalem.

I choose Islam over Arabism.

I will always fight for black people despite being a muslim - if you have a problem with that go to palestine and fight with your masters.
Rasheed Moore, on January 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 am Said:

On practical solutions I think the best thing we can do to assist is to continue to chip away at the stranglehold AIPAC has on Foreign Policy. Support Muslim and Non Muslim scholars (like Mearsheimer, Walt, and Juan Cole) that understand the global danger of America being subservient to Israeli interests. Insist that America and Israel are two separate nations with distinct interests.

I disagree with you Tariq that the conflict is only religious in nature. We all know Jews and Muslims inhabited the land before WWI yet we did not see this level of bloodshed and violence. The problem started because foreign European Zionist elites were injected into the land of Palestine. Anytime you have a minority elite be it Zionists in Palestine or Chinese in Malaysia ect ect there is going to be problems. There have been many proposed solutions, the one state solution where all citizens enjoy equal rights in a coalition type of government. The two state solution which would require other Arab states to help the Palestinians build their country. But the reality is that Zionism is a dead and rotten ideology much akin to the cult mentality you outlined so well in previous posts and like all cults it will whither away and die from the inside out. The siege of this very small impoverished strip of land with all the might the Zionists have to muster shows how desperate they are getting. There is a future for Muslims, Jews, and Christians in Palestine it just doesn’t involve Zionism.
Abu Sinan, on January 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 am Said:

Tawheed,

There is a problem with your hadith. They contradict The Qur’an, hence are invalid and false. A valid hadith, cannot by nature, contradict the word of God.

God says in The Qur’an that the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) cannot tell the future except that which is which is shown to him by God.

As none of the Hadith you present claim to come from revelation from God, they must be false if The Qur’an is the word of God.

Many such false hadith are used to justify all sorts of errors and hatred. God save us from these trangressions.

“Say (O Muhammad), “I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what God wills happen to me. If I knew the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe.” 7:188

“Say (O Muhammad), “I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner.” 46:9
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:08 am Said:

@ Amad

Are you denying the CLEAR statements of the Messenger (sal Allahu alayhi wa salam) that the Muslims WILL slaughter all the Jews? You do realize that denying the Sunnah is kufr do you not?

@ Abu Sinan

The future was revealed to the Messenger (sal Allaahu alayhi wa salam) in the Sunnah and there are several sound ahadith that inform us of this and the FACT that the Jews are cursed.

YOU recite in your salaah each and every day that the Jews are CURSED and have earned Allaa’d eternal WRATH. Our beautiful deen of Islaam teaches us to have ZERO love for the filthy Jews and that is the bottom line.

There will be peace and justice on earth once the Jews and their evil plots are wiped completely off the planet by the Mujahideen from Ahlus Sunnah
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 am Said:

@ Rasheed Moore

Less than 2% of the population of Filistine in 1902 was Jewish before WWI so what you are saying is a little misleading. We should not act as if there were millions and millions of Jews there and the Muslims had thrown wala and bara out of the window or something. This is a shame to the honor of the martyrs that were killed trying to prevent the Jews from coming to Filistine. The Jews just do not belong there and will be exterminated. And the promise of Allaah is true

May Allaah curse them
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 am Said:

As’salamu Aleikum all,

@Tariq, I appreciate your reply.

Several times in your blog, you don’t distinguish whom you are referring to when you write; “they” - “us”, and it makes quite confusing for the readers.
If you mean Hamas , then you are wrong. Hamas never called to wipe out the state of Israel, and it is a fact that Hamas is willing to recognize Israel as a state and to participate peaceful negotiation.

I do hope you will be careful next time when you make these accusations, and please make clarity for the readers who you are addressing . I don’t deny that there are extremists in both sides, but at least give names of these people.

Consider commentators like Tawheed Not Shirk as trolls.
Trolls are one of the downsides of having a blog, unfortunately.
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 am Said:

@ Gess

Are you mocking the Qur’an and Sunnah? I have done nothing but quote DIRECTLY from it and the positions of Ahlus Sunnah. If you have other proofs and evidences from the Book of Allaah or His Beloved Messenger (sal Allaahu alayhi wa salam) then bring them. Show me in the Quran and Sunnah where it says that we are to love the Jews. Show me where the ulamaa have EVER said such a thing
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 am Said:

Tawheed Not Shirk

FU.K OFF!

And get out of your mother’s basement .
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 am Said:

Hamas never called to wipe out the state of Israel, and it is a fact that Hamas is willing to recognize Israel as a state and to participate peaceful negotiation.

I am not religious, but I know better than that.

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv-hamas.htm
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 am Said:

Dana,

I don’t click unknown links or from AIPAC’s money.

Provide from news papers or from trustworthy news link.
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:53 am Said:

Dana,

It took me only one second to find this link, and it is from Israeli news paper; Ynet:

Hamas: We’ll recognize Israel within ‘67 borders
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 am Said:

@ Gess

you said that Hamas NEVER said they wanted to wipe out the Jews. That is just not true. The long term goal is to wipe us out
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 am Said:

We don’t know what tomorrow brings, Dana, but you have have now a Hamas leader willing to recognize Israel under international agreement.
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:09 am Said:

With people like Tawheed not Shirk (and he is not by any means alone) running around it makes me very afraid for that future Gess. Many people like me should be killed just because. They are no different from Hitler
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 am Said:

I have to agree with Tariq. There is no way out of this mess because of religion
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 am Said:

It is hard to engage a dialogue with someone whose mind is stuck in Auschwitz, Dana.

Don’t blame religion or God. No one blamed South African Apartheid for religion. Blame the last European 19 ce. racist ideology-
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 am Said:

South African was not a religious struggle either. This is about religion (I did not say God, but RELIGION) and there is no settling when religion is in question. Based on religious principles people think that I must die. How do you get around that? You can’t compromise with that
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 am Said:

Are you willing to accept ‘67 borders, Dana? Because that is what a religious and legitimate group is offering to you.
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 am Said:

gess I just don’t want more bloodshed. I know that even if we accepted that, that the people calling for our extermination will never yield and keep propagating until they achieve their goal. There is no way out.

Unless you are telling me that people that are calling for all Jews to be wiped out will magically go away. Are you telling me that you think there would be a permanent peace at that point? I would accept that, but I am not in power. But I also do not believe that would bring peace. I see far too many people saying that we should be “driven into the sea”
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 am Said:

Allaah’s promise is true and Dana is a liar. Just wait on Allaah’s promise for you and your filthy kind!
gess, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:49 am Said:

Dana,

I don’t blame you why your mind is stuck in Auschwitz. Look at US movie box office. Currently, 6 Holocaust films are running.

What do you understand by international agreement, Dana?
I used to work with for 6 years the most racist and Islamophobic living in my country and he is well known figure, but he could not do anything to me or threaten me, because he knows what it will happen to him if he tries.
You should spend time to fight against Zionism instead finding more excuses.
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 8:58 am Said:

ok, I get it. it’s all in my imagination. there is no antisemitism anywhere.
Ken S, on January 3rd, 2009 at 9:11 am Said:

A anti-Israel protest in Florida. “Go back to the ovens”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo

that is the “peaceful solution” in these peoples’ minds
Ibn Uthman, on January 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am Said:

Nice suggestion in that video by the sister, masha Allah. May Allah reward her for suggesting it. Just go back to the ovens
amad, on January 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm Said:

Dana, let’s get the facts straight. Ynet doesn’t help you either.

Here is an article that separates facts from fiction. It is fairly balanced as you will see, not written by a Palestinian or a Muslim:

The Facts about Israel’s War on Gaza
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm Said:

I get it Amad. We must all be killed and that is it. I got the facts pretty straight
amad, on January 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm Said:

I couldn’t find the “oven” reference, but even if someone did that, I can find you many videos where certain Jews make pretty horrible statements too. One person’s inane reference doesn’t prove anything except the common habit of Islamophobes who take one or two statements as being somehow representative of Muslim opinion.
amad, on January 3rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm Said:

If Dana, that thought makes you sleep better, go ahead believe what you want. To be honest, its almost disgusting to see you and your ilk act like victims. Israelis are killing sitting-ducks and its lobby is the strongest in America and its influence on media is unparalleled, and you are acting like a victim?

Please take your shenanigan somewhere it will be believed. The victims are the women, children and men who are being killed in a cage called Gaza. The fact that you didn’t time to read the link I provided is sufficient evidence that you are just another Israeli foot-soldier troll. So, enjoy your ignorance.
Dana, on January 3rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm Said:

Amad I never once said that I approved of killing of Palestinians, but I see that you are are silent on the calls for genocide of all Jews. I agree with you though. I wish that the Israelis would just stop but I know that there will not be peace after that.
I love juice, on January 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm Said:

Like it or not . In the real world there are rarely peaceful solutions, Muslims pray that Allah humiliates the jews like they have been humiliated before.
Abdul-Kareem, on January 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm Said:

Tawheed Not Shirk,

You stated,

“Abdul-Kareem did you not read the ayaat of Quran that I gave you about the Jews being apes and pigs? Those hadith DO INDEED refer to our current reality. The Muslims WILL slaughter all of these beasts until none are left on earth. ?

You are one sick dude. You have taken Salafism and in your mind warped it even more than it is.

Your own Salafi scholars say that the reference to Jews being turned into apes and pigs only refers to a particular group. That was a group during the time of Musa that turned against God’s laws. And scholars debate to this day if this is a literal or figurative meaning.

If they are all apes and pigs, then why can we marry them? Are we to kill our own families for those of use married to Jews? You got issues.

There are ayaat of the Qur’an that speak highly of Jews too. So which is it? Are they all good or all primates and swine?

Furthermore, you answer almost everything with a reference to killing. Read Muslim history. Violence against the Jews has been the exception, not the norm. So why hasn’t there been a continuous onslaught of Jews if that’s what we are commanded to do? Even the minority of people that believe the psychotic rubbish you’re spewing, very few act on it.

While you are at it, read some early Islamic history too. Every since the Sahaba, there has been more than one interpretation of Islam. Just some simple examples…drinking while standing or not, invalidation of wudu, how to settle leadership, various small ways of performing salah etc. Where do you think some of the differences from amongst the Four Schools come from?

The imams fo the four schools were tabi’een and tabut-tabi’een. The learned from various sahaba.
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm Said:

@ Abdul-Kareem

You are on the losing side bro. Ever heard of Khaybr or Bani Qaynuqah? Let’s take a good hard look at how the Jews were treated by the best of our Ummah.

The Jews are CURSED and we affirm this is in our salaah in each and every rakaah!

There is only ONE Islam. Not the Islam of me or you. It is the pure deen that came with our beloved Prophet (sal Allaahu alayhi wa salam) that was passed down from generation to generation without a single adulteration.

Finally, I quoted to you several authentic ahadith from the Prophetic Sunnah that CONFIRM that we will SLAUGHTER the Jews and you called it “psychotic rubbish”. Your ignorance of this deen is what is saving you from being a kaafir but you are definitely uttering kufr without a doubt.

We have NO love for the Jews PERIOD
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm Said:

Are we to kill our own families for those of use married to Jews?

@ Abdul-Kareem

Read it and submit to the truth. I will let the Qur’an respond to your nonsense:

You will wilt not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). God will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of God. Truly it is the Party of God that will achieve Felicity. Sura 58:22

YOU are the one with “issues”

You are not bringing a single ayah or hadith to support your erroneous and despicable positions

There are ayaat of the Qur’an that speak highly of Jews too. So which is it? Are they all good or all primates and swine?

Show me a single ayah that speaks highly of Jews! If you read the explanations of the ulamaa it will clear up your confusion

Read Muslim history.

Our ulamaa have told us that when we put down the sword of jihad we are humiliated. The sword has been put down several times and this is why we are humiliated. And Muslim history is not a guide for us. The Quran and Sunnah ARE.

I suggest that you listen to this

http://revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=564:shaikh-faisal-walaa-and-baraa-&catid=7:lectures-by-sheikh-abdullah-faisal&Itemid=7

Follow the Sunnah!!!
Indscribe, on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm Said:

The Arab states are to be blamed. They should shed their hypocrisy. Either they all must accept the reality that is Israel and bargain for peace

When I see innocent kids dying and lying in hospital beds, there is no bad sight. You can pay any price to save them.

The Arab monarchs can’t fight, ca’t make peace. What they can do then?
TruthReality, on January 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm Said:

Up front Im not a Muslim but a Christian but Id like you to consider an event from the Bible 1kings Ch 18 ( be open minded on this) Elijah the prophet stood alone agains 850 of King Ahab prophets while they yelled and cut themselves to their false god Baal so he would rain down fire on their alter. And of course Baal never responded….you know how the event ended.

Hamas and other groups want an end to Isreal but Allah never responds to bring them victory, yet its Isreal that gets the victory.

Is Allah even real? he seems nothing more then Baal, who’s followers yell and prostest and justify Isreals destruction but they always keep getting defeated over and over again and even turn on themselves!

Im placing my bets on Elijah
Phil, on January 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pm Said:

This has been your most idiotic post…ever. There are about 5-20% on each side that need to be expelled from Greater Palestine if peace is going to be achieved, but a co-existing solution is very much possible.
z, on January 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm Said:

I always wondered why Jews and Muslims from Arab countries do not get along on the other side of the planet, the middle east. However, when they come to American they most certainly live amongst each other. It is as if there are only a few places in the entire USA that they can live. One such place is Brooklyn, NY, in the Midwood, Kensington, Sheepshead Bay and Brighton Beach areas. I don’t get it , they leave Israel and Palestine and go straight to Brooklyn and live next door to each other. All the time saying good morning and how is your family , issuing blessings on new births. It is so unreal. It must be the middle eastern land (dirt) that makes both sides crazy. I am starting to believe the only solution is to kick both sides out and move them some where else, together. Some place like Brooklyn where their differences appear minuscule compared to their similarities.
umm pookie, on January 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm Said:

Just FYI “truth reality”…there are Palestinian Christians as well who die alongside the Muslims so I guess you might want to re-examine your theory.

Also..those same Palestinian Christians speak Arabic, and they call God “Allah”. Is He real? You might want to ask them.
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 pm Said:

@Abdul-Khareem,

“Tawheed Not Shirk ” is not real, I suspect a plant/provocateur whose here to rile some poor fool empassioned by their love for fellow Muslims to talk of jihad, who will then end up the next contestant on the orange jump suit show winning an all expenses paid trip to cuba.

All his talk is a smoke screen, this whole Palestine issue could be over in months if the Arabs rulers would stop sending oil to the west, but they won’t (the rulers got to have the latest bentleys and benzes, why should they endur the pain of only having 20 bentleys when the 2009 models are comming out). So while there are plenty of fatwas about how Muslims voting in America is wrong there is straight silence on the Muslim rulers providing aid & comfort in the form of oil to the backers of the zionists.

So just as Palestinian blood is on the hands of Bush, it’s also on the hands of Mubarak in Eygpt, Abdullah in Saudi and the others. How can anyone speak of jihad when the economic enablers of the Palestinian oppression are the Arab leaders of the Muslim lands.

To speak of Jihad when the Palestinians aren’t even fighting for an Islamic state is ridiculous. which is why Shaykh Azzam left. Yes, the Palestinian (Muslim and Christian, Arab and non-Arab) people have a just right to fight for independence, but it is not jihad.

This is a fight between Palestinians vs zionist (and their backers), this not Islam vs Judaism nor Muslims vs Jews.

The humiliating defeat of 1967 and the subsequent defeats were blows to Pan-Arabism not for Islam.

These were not defeats for Islam simply because, none of these fights were for the establishment of Islam nor tawheed. The battle of Badr was not for pan-Arabism but rather for Islamic tawheed against the then Arab status quo, had these modern battles against the zionists been for the establishment of tawheed perhaps the out comes may have been different. Allahu Alim

Yet, despite whatever reasoning for the fighting the Palestinian people still deserve to be treated humanly
Abu Sinan, on January 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 pm Said:

Tawheed,

When you equate and equalise The Qur’an and man made and recorded Hadith you are committing shirk.

Hadith are comments and actions attributed to Mohammed based on reports passed on by men. The Qur’an is the word of God. If you equalise the two you are a kafr committing shrik.

The Qur’an has clearly said something that contradicts the Hadith you have used, hence either you believe The Qur’an, or you commit shirk.

The Hadith you brought directly, openly and obviously contradict The Qur’an. If you do not reject those Hadith, you are by extension, rejecting The Qur’an and the word of God.

You stick with your made up hadith to justify your hate………..I’ll stick with The Qur’an and the word of God.
nur, on January 4th, 2009 at 4:20 am Said:

well said tariq.

so how much of anything written in the “book of revelations” has come true anyways?

even nostradamus has a better track record.

its just ridiculous how a government cut could dispose an ocean of american tax payer’s money towards crazy messianic fantansies, who’s writer cannot even be proven credible.

it doesn’t matter what colour your skin or which corner of the earth you come from or are situated -you’re muslim, and muslims are brothers and sisters of each other so whats wrong if you care about gaza. its only wrong if you don’t.
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 4th, 2009 at 7:01 am Said:

@ Abu Usamah Al-Aswad

You are a paranoid baffoon. All I have done is quote from the Qur’an and Sunnah. I don’t really care what anyone says. I am educating people like you about the reality of the deen

@ Abu Sinan

The Sunnah is REVELATION just like the Qur’an is. You can’t take one without the other. Your position is asinine
Abu Sinan, on January 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm Said:

“Tawheed”,

If what you are trying to pass off as “The Sunnah” contradicts what God has said in The Qur’an, then it is obviously false and MUST be rejected.

The Qur’an is the word of God, Sunnah, as we know it is passed down by men, hence if the words of men contradict the word God, it is to be rejected.

A rather easy concept. God’s words trump everything, even made up stuff added by some and passed off as the Sunnah.
Daud, on January 4th, 2009 at 3:27 pm Said:

Abu Sinan

You need to get off the internet and get in some classes because you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about!!!

Fact 1: The “men” who recorded, explained, the passed-on, the Sunnah you are mocking; are the same one’s who passed the Qur’an to us today.

Fact 2: The Sunnah explains the Qur’an. Ex. Generally, Allaah ordered us to establish the Salaat. How do we know what to say and do in a rak’aat? The details are in the Sunnah!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fact 3: The Prophet (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) did not speak from his desires, he spoke from Revelation:

53:2 Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

53:3 Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

534 It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

No Muslim can deny the Sunnah; to do so is kufr. You are speaking without knowledge; and it is possible that you may have nullified your Islaam. You need to make tawbah, ASAP…that’s if you care!!!!!!!!!! If you don’t care, then “Oh well”!!!!
Tawheed Not Shirk, on January 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm Said:

Took the words right out of my mouth Daud. The Sunnah is just as pure as the Qur’an.

@ Abu Sinan

Can’t take one without the other. If you reject Sunnah, then you reject the Qur’an because they were preserved by the very same men that you disparage
Marisol Cusatti, on January 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm Said:

Just by listening to some of you converse, I am able to glean that the Muslim world is very much at the precise historical juncture of that of Western Europe before the Reformation period.

Hey, please get yourselves together. Each of you either read your Holy Book well, or begin to enlighten yourselves.

Muslims of the twenty first century remind me so much of the humble serfs, Lords,Bishops, priests and Popes of the European Middle Ages prior to the Protestant Reformatiion .

This is the time for serious intellectual and free religious thinkers from the Muslim world to remove their shackle of fear and ignorance and emerge out of the doom of this Dark period.History eagerly awaits.

Peace.
Marisol Cusatti
Daud, on January 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pm Said:

@ Marisol

NO!! What the Muslims need to do is remove their desire to imitate the disbelievers, and being preoccupied with chasing the dunyah at the expense of the Here-after, and stop being lazy when it comes to seeking authentic knowledge, stop following the “talkers” among us by attaching themselves to the Scholars!!!

The Messenger of Allaah prophesized the current condition of his Ummah, and said,

“…the humiliation of Allaah will descend upon you, and He will not lift His humiliation up, until you return back to your Religion”!!!
HIOR, on January 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm Said:

Uh… ok wait..
Someone please show me the Ayat from Allah SWT that proclaims His (SWT) protection on the Quran and the Sunnah. All my life I have read that Allah SWT promised to protect the Quran and keep it free from error which is why we have always been able to claim superiority over Biblical scholars attempts to preserve the Bible.

I have never read such a statement and I want to see the exact words that proclaim that the Sunnah overrides Ayats from Quran. Just because men preserved the Quran free of error doesn’t mean the Sunnah is free of error. Allah SWT wills and protects what he wants when He SWT wants.

Are we saying now that these men were perfect and divinely inspired like the 12 apostles as claimed by the Christains?

Don’t we debate the Christians on the validity of their books because Allah SWT never proclaimed His SWT protection over it? If the hadith is positively 100% accurate then why would we have levels of strength for each one and why would we have accounts that were later removed because of error or weakness or proclaimed an outright lie. Why have we never had this problem when it comes to Quran? Just because we believe in Hadiths doesn’t mean it equal and can override Quran. I don’t get this hostility anyway. We openly admit from historical record to tosses out hadiths for all sorts of reasons and still debate plenty of them to this day and have ranked them accordingly while at the same time not having little to no hiccup over ayats in Quran; which we have always pointed to as a strength. We love to point out the wisdom in keeping the books separate when we talk to non-Muslims. As we all know some Sunnah is provided in the Quran and some is not; but I’ve never seen a Sunnah example in Quran contradict a commandment from Allah SWt from the Quran. However, we’ve all certainly run into contradictions in Hadiths, and I never saw it as a throw the baby out with the bath water issue.

We love to point out the wisdom in keeping the books separate when we talk to non-Muslims but when we debate with each other on a issue we slam down ayat and hadith verses like dominos and almost always someone wants to use a hadith to overrides the Quran like it’s a winning hand at a bbq.

It’s just not logical to freak out over it.

I always looked at it this way:

Everything in the Quran I follow it to the letter & everything in Haidth I follow it to the best of my ability because you are sure to get various views on just about every situation mentioned from the 4 most popular schools and even more views if you’re a super geek who has the time to search the opinions on microfiche from previous schools or expired schools from Islamic history. I’m not trying to get a headache so someone show me the exact words in the Quran from ALLAH SWT that proclaims His SWT protection extends beyond His SWT book.

Thanks,

P.S. .. guys you don’t have to all agree but try to leave each other in peace.

Ma Salaama
Nashid, on January 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm Said:

@all

Qur’an, Bible, Torah? The parties involved have lost their collective minds. Pure arrogance to think that they are understanding and adhering to the best thereof in their respective scriptures. Prophet Muhammed had excellent character long before he received revelation. That tells me that there is a requirement to accommodate and practice the best of human nature first. If not, G-d’s clock guarantees a just conclusion.
K-Dude, on January 4th, 2009 at 8:26 pm Said:

I agree with Tariq. I get a lot of emails about the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the tragedy of so many civilians getting hurt. I don’t deny that, it is a tragedy. Yet a few weeks before the Israelis started bombing Gaza, Hamas was continually firing rockets into Israel. No one seemed to be piping up at that point.

The Palestinians are partly responsible for Hamas using them as shields. As Palestinians they need to stand up to Hamas taking indiscriminate action and then hiding amongst them.

On the other hand, a lot of Jewish families currently living in Israel have not been present in that region more than a few generations ago. There is an arrogance in arriving a few generations ago, claiming ‘This is our land and no one else has ever lived here’.

The only solution in my mind is a one state solution where all citizens of said country have equal rights as citizens of that state.

Israel is actually a state to be admired, they have a well functioning democracy which they managed to set up in a short amount of time and does a lot of things well. However, the premise of being a citizen of Israel is that you must have Jewish heritage. No modern country would or could follow such a premise. Imagine what would happen in America if the constitution stated that to be a US citizen, one must be of Anglo-Saxon (or any particular) heritage.

On the other side you have Hamas that wants to exterminate the Israeli state. Get real, not going to happen.

There is only one outcome possible with the constant back and forth. One of these groups has to be completely wiped out (ie some sort of genocide). And it won’t be Israel, because if it comes to it, they have nuclear weapons and a much better organised military. Even if another state in the region acquired nuclear technology, most of them couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery.

As an American, my position is let them duke it out, because these idiots (both sides) aren’t going to learn shit until they beat the living daylights out of each other. Why should we try to help resolve something that keeps biting us in the ass. I have compassion and would love to help but you can’t help people that are unwilling to help themselves.

As a person of Turkish ancestry, I’d like to thank the English for taking the mess out of our hands. We were actually doing a fairly reasonable job (at least better than now) before you came in your arrogance but it looks like things turned out for the better.
amad, on January 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pm Said:

On the authority of Sunnah/Hadith (amazing how the topic changed, isn’t it?):

Authority of Sunnah
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

This is just on the authority and requirement of Sunnah as a pillar of a Muslim’s belief. Mainstream Muslims and their scholars has always agreed upon that. Quran and Sunnah go hand in hand, this is a given for a Muslim, those who deny it are a small minority who (a) have not studied hadith at all or (b) wish to make a fitnah about it.

Moving on, the more important question is about interpretation and context. Just because it is authentic doesn’t mean one’s application or context is right. And just like the Quran can be misinterpreted and abused for ulterior purposes, so can hadith. The challenge is not to deny the hadith and put one’s Islam into question, but rather to question the context and application of the hadith.

wallahualam
Muslimahcomments, on January 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm Said:

@ Marisol

Thank you for gracing us with your presence and helping us poor little confused underlings to understand our complete ignorance.

Hmm. It seems like us in the West our having a dark age of our own as greedy banks leave people homeless & seedy corporations leave the invisible jobless.

Oh that enlightenment is so blinding I gotta wear shades…
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 5th, 2009 at 11:23 am Said:

@Abu Sinan, Amad and HIOR

unfortunately, you have fell for the trap of the distractors, like “unlizzted” and “Tawheed not Shirk” I would include “Daud” but, he is simply untaught and has miseducated himself, so he may not be in the same category. The distractors use hadiths out of context or name drop scholars while inflaming others, which causes people to make statments against the sunnah or the scholars

It is true that the sunnah can modify the Qur’an quick examples are wipping overs kuffs and the stoning for the male and female who comits adultry. Please don’t allow your depleasure with internet trolls cause you to make statments which revile the deen, it would be good for you to recant as both the Qur’an and the Sunnah have been preserved. The proof is that we have weak hadith, this shows the felicty and probity to which the muhaddiths adhered to transmissions.

@Marisol

You couldn’t be more wrong, the Muslim world is in no need of reformation, the protestant reformation aborgated much of the catholic teachings even going so far as to remove books of the bible as apocrypha, in other words they “protested” that wholes books in the bible were false. There is not one sane Muslim that would ever say the Qur’an contains false statments. “Aoudhou min dalik”

Rather than “reformation” there is a need for “revival” (tajdid), which occurs every hundred years as a man of the sunnah comes to revive the deen

@K-Dude

Stop passing the lie that Israel is a democracy, not only is it not a democracy it’s not even a republic as only Jews have voting citizenship
gess, on January 5th, 2009 at 11:39 am Said:

Me think “Tawheed not Shirk” does not live in his mother’s basement, but is a filthy paid Zionist troll.
DC Muslimah, on January 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pm Said:

Thanks for posting something on this important topic. I’m completely saddened by the blodshed in Gaza, particularly that of young children and civilians.

Whether or not we agree with Hamas’s actions, I think any reasonable person would agree that Israel’s response is overwhelming and disproportionate to Hamas’s actions. This is clear particularly if we look at the body count on both sides. Today, news agencies are reporting app. 540 Palestinian deaths.
Marisol Cusatti, on January 5th, 2009 at 7:51 pm Said:

I just finished reading “Slave “by Mende Nazer, which is the story of a Muslim Sudanese woman who was kidnapped as a child by Arab Muslims.
She was taken to Khartoum and enslaved for many years in the residense of an Arab family. They even told her” stop praying ,Islam is not for Black people”.

By God’s grace she was able to escape while in London where they had shipped her to be enslaved by relatives there.

What hurts, the woman of the house was even more inhumane to the poor child.

The woman knocked Mende over with something , leaving her unconscious and it was because they taught she was going to die why they took her to the hospital

Many Africans make the Hajj with their famillies and sometimes don’t have the money to return and would sell their children to rich Arabs in Mecca even today.

Slavery still exists throughout the Arab world(Mauritania, Sudan,Arabia…)
Don’t criticize anyone when you know that Muslims are just as bad.
Religion is not going to change us if the heart of man is bad. Remember we have free will, like it or not.
Making ritulas, means nothing, praying a million times, means nothing, turning East, West, or South to pray mean absolutely nothing if the heart is or wicked and evil.
Even obeying God means nothing if we hate others and would kill to please our heavenely God who is all Spirit.
I know many of you believe that genocide in Darfur is a lie. Because people in the Western world are supposed to be only concerned about Palestinians. What about Darfur?Only Arabs are Muslims?

Hey many Arabs live across Latin America, and practically no Lain American in the region converts to islam.
“Let your lights shine before man and let them see and worship God who is in Heaven”

Peace.Marisol Cusatti
Daud, on January 6th, 2009 at 12:43 am Said:

@ Umar Lee

Subhanallaah akhi. If you had any knowledge of the Deen you would shut your mouth!! Who are you to make this statement to anyone: “I am issuing a call for martyrs from Muslims in the West.”

Subhanallaah, you are a NOBODY, who has no knowledge, running around in the west. You are in no position to call the Muslims to do anything, because that’s the exclusive province of the Scholars and those in authority over us!!! Jihad has conditions that MUST be met before it’s declared, and only the Amiru Mu’mineen, or the perhaps the Sultan of a Muslim country, can make this call. That certainly does not include you!!! The condition of the Ummah is no where’s near meeting the criteria for an open call to Jihad; therefore, all of the Ayaat in the Qu’ran about having Sabr are written on us until Allaah gives us a way out.

Subhanallaah Umar, the reminder benefits the believer. You boast of your “run-ins” at different Masaajid, as if you are proud of that; or like that makes you “down”. Akhi, fighting a Musims is an act of kufr. Remember: The Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu alayhi wa salam) said, “All of my Ummah will be forgiven, except those who openly expose their sins”. No, it is not praiseworthy to go around getting into confrontations at various masaajid; rather it is very foolish.
Daud, on January 6th, 2009 at 1:01 am Said:

@ Abdul Kareem

RE: “You have taken Salafism and in your mind warped it even more than it is.”

You falsely attributed TawheednotShirk’s statement to Salafiyyah, and then refuted yourself with your next statement.

YOU SAID: “Your own Salafi scholars say that the reference to Jews being turned into apes and pigs only refers to a particular group.”

That shows how ignorant you are.

YOU SAID: “And scholars debate to this day if this is a literal or figurative meaning.”

Subhanallaah! What “scholar(s)” can you name that said that Allaah turning jews into apes and swine, is to be taken figuratively!?! Subhanllaah, Allaah said it happened in His Blessed Book, so it happened! To deny this is kufr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your statement resembles the Ash’aariyyah, the Mu’tazilah, the Jahmiyyah etc…

YOU SAID: “There are ayaat of the Qur’an that speak highly of Jews”

BRING THE AYAAT WHERE ALLAAH PRAISED THE JEWS. BRING THE HADITH WHERE THE JEWS WERE PRAISED. IF YOU CAN’T BRING IT, THEN YOUR ARE A LIAR. THE LAST TIME YOU MAY HAVE NULLIFIED YOUR ISLAAM BY LYING ON THE MESSENGER OF ALLAAH. THIS TIME YOU MAY HAVE NULLIFIED YOUR ISLAAM, BY LYING ON ALLAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING YOUR PROOFS IF YOU’RE SINCERE. ALL OF US ARE WAITING.

And Tariq, as usual you remain silent when people make these outlandish remarks, and statements of clear kufr about the Deen!?! Remember, you are held accountable for this “Religious” blog, so you better start enjoining the good and forbidding evil!!!
Siraaj Muhammad, on January 6th, 2009 at 1:43 am Said:

Salaam alaykum,

CNN finally admits Israel broke the ceasefire, not Hamas with their rockets:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

Positioning oneself in this issue is very easy if one does just a touch of research. It takes most of us less than a day with blogs and social media.

Daud, brother, I agree with you, but chill out. If people are ignorant about islam, your job is to teach them with hikmah, not the daw’ah of caps lock on steroids

Brothers, to keep the discussion of Qur’aan and Hadeeth simple, realize that it is Allah who says in the Qur’aan that He sent the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam to explain the Qur’aan. The explanation is separate from the Qur’aan itself. Who’s sending the explanation? Allah. Something sent from Allah is…? Revelation.

Are we saying that the Qur’aan is preserved, but it’s explanation (which is revelation) by Prophet Muhammad is not preserved? Be careful of what you say - if the people on this thread have not explained themselves well enough, have the openmindedness to say, I’m not convinced by your explanation, but I will look into it further.

In the meantime, let’s turn the focus back from academic debate to what we can do for our brothers and sisters being blown to bits for pre-election posturing by Livni and Barak to seem more hawkish than Netanyahu. There’s a thread on MuslimMatters.org delineating what you can do to help. If you haven’t already done so, please avail yourself of that thread. If you have already done so, channel your anger and debating angst into du’aa for our brothers and sisters.

Siraaj
Daud, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:07 am Said:

@ Tariq

This post was doomed from the start because you invited the ignorant to speak and opine about an issue that requires knowledge we don’t have. It’s sad to say, it only shows how ignorant Muslims really are. On one end you have people who blog about Islaam, like Abu Sinan and HIOR; yet don’t even know the status of the Sunnah in Islaam; to people like black nationalist, racist Ron; and Abu Usamah al-Aswad, who speaks without knowledge and never provides proofs for any of his wack statements, which always seem to mock the Deen and anything of Islaamic.

O Muslims, you have to refer EVERYTHING back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah first!!! Whenever we see people suffering at the hands of an oppressor, or taken as slaves, or expelled from their lands; then know that at one time they had Allaah’s Favor; but then they earned the wrath of Allaah upon themselves…

42:30 And whatever of misfortune befalls you, it is because of what your hands have earned. And He pardons much.

8:53 That is so because Allâh will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves. And verily, Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

We hate seeing our brothers and sisters being oppressed at the hands of the jews, however the palestinians can GREATLY help their own plight by correcting their Deen, and stop committing shirk with Allaah!!!! I have two palestian friends, who related to me that shirk is wide-spread in Palestine, committing shirk with Allaah by seeking protection from a “blue-eye bead”. This is a talisman, and it is major shirk!! If any of you live around palestinians and patronize their stores; look around the entrance of the store, or up at the ceiling near the door, and you will see a blue eye hanging in many of their establishments.

If the affair is referred back to the Book of Allaah, the Sunnah, and the Scholars, the Palestinians would come to realize that Hamas and ALL the other groups operating in their land are their enemies because they have deviated from the correct Islaamic Aqeedah. Hamas is an off-shoot from the Muslim Brotherhood, so you know they have problems. For decades they have been embeded with the raafidah shi’a in Iran!!! The raafidah shi’a in iran are the ash’aari twelvers, the worst of all their disbelieving sects; and are no friends to the Muslims.

The scholars advised the Palestinians that their first priority is to stop the bloodshed. Currently they have no leverage in any negotiations, so they were advised to take whatever the jews offer them so the blood shed will cease. When the killing stops, they will then be able to correct their Deen, afterwhich Allaah will aid them!!!!!!!!!!! They must also deal with the reality that the jews will not give them the 1967 borders that they want, because jewish extremists will start a civil war in the jewish state. They already assasinated one of their own prime ministers because they thought he gave away too much. O Muslims, don’t EVER forget that Allaah said,

65:2 “…And whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty).

65:3 And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whosoever puts his trust in Allâh, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allâh will accomplish his purpose. Indeed Allâh has set a measure for all things.
Tim, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:57 pm Said:

As I understand it, when we want to know what our deen says about an issue, we have to bring ALL of the resources related to it, in order to understand it in its proper context.
Abu Usamah al-Aswad, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pm Said:

@Daud, not shirk, unlizzted and the rest like you…

Tell me what fatawa have you asked for from “the scholars” about this latest wave of Muslims being murdered by zionist? It’s amazing that you all have no problem claiming to being connected to scholars and asking for fatawa on everything in America (even eating mermaids, LOL) and there are no loss of words. I never of a Muslim who died as a result of voting in America or feeding his family and poor non-Muslims yet there is fatawa after fatawa against providing social services and voting. Yet Muslim women and babies are being murdered for the world to see and there is nothing but silence. Don’t give me that you don’t know cop out. Why don’t you go ask if you don’t know? And don’t try the fake strawman that I’m cursing the scholars, (I know you will use that strawman, because you have no choice, since the ability to answer the question is not in your programing) no I’m cursing you intellectual cowards, who don’t sit with scholars but pretend. There are hundreds of scholars in Saudi but do you sit with them? No because they give the haqq, not the Saudi family boilerplate “have patience” routine sounding like a wacked out creampuff sufi. Its shame upon the Muslim world that a non-Muslim leader like Chavez, who kick the Israeli ambassador out of his country and called Israel murders has more courage than all of the leaders in the west combined

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